Diesels About To Get Expensive????
Discussion
CraigyMc said:
JonnyVTEC said:
Pan Pan said:
The problem with hybrids is that they must also carry a heavy, space consuming set of batteries, which leaves relatively little space for a fuel tank, passengers and their luggage, so even if they do achieve good MPG, (and bear in mind you must use fuel to lug around the batteries and extra electric motors)
What about that cast iron engine block with cast manifold, low efficiency 12V alternator, much larger lead acid battery, turbocharger and intercooler all stuffed under the bonnet on a diesel equivalent?The passat does 1000mile on a tank because it has a big tank!
CraigyMc said:
Fastdruid said:
CraigyMc said:
My 320d ED will do 1050 miles on a 63l tank.
I'm sure it will but a 320i is cheaper until you're doing >18k/year.On your point about the 320i versus 320d ED, that depends entirely on the deal your company has struck with the leasing company, assuming we're talking company cars.
Seriously thinking about a petrol next time and I do 38k a year! Diesels just seem so unreliable that the cost saving is pretty much cancelled out...
Problem is, especially heavily laiden like my car is for 99% of it's life- a low powered diesel is much nicer to drive than a low powered petrol due to the torque imo!
Problem is, especially heavily laiden like my car is for 99% of it's life- a low powered diesel is much nicer to drive than a low powered petrol due to the torque imo!
daemon said:
CraigyMc said:
JonnyVTEC said:
Pan Pan said:
The problem with hybrids is that they must also carry a heavy, space consuming set of batteries, which leaves relatively little space for a fuel tank, passengers and their luggage, so even if they do achieve good MPG, (and bear in mind you must use fuel to lug around the batteries and extra electric motors)
What about that cast iron engine block with cast manifold, low efficiency 12V alternator, much larger lead acid battery, turbocharger and intercooler all stuffed under the bonnet on a diesel equivalent?The passat does 1000mile on a tank because it has a big tank!
Captainawesome said:
daemon said:
CraigyMc said:
JonnyVTEC said:
Pan Pan said:
The problem with hybrids is that they must also carry a heavy, space consuming set of batteries, which leaves relatively little space for a fuel tank, passengers and their luggage, so even if they do achieve good MPG, (and bear in mind you must use fuel to lug around the batteries and extra electric motors)
What about that cast iron engine block with cast manifold, low efficiency 12V alternator, much larger lead acid battery, turbocharger and intercooler all stuffed under the bonnet on a diesel equivalent?The passat does 1000mile on a tank because it has a big tank!
pavka007 said:
Captainawesome said:
daemon said:
CraigyMc said:
JonnyVTEC said:
Pan Pan said:
The problem with hybrids is that they must also carry a heavy, space consuming set of batteries, which leaves relatively little space for a fuel tank, passengers and their luggage, so even if they do achieve good MPG, (and bear in mind you must use fuel to lug around the batteries and extra electric motors)
What about that cast iron engine block with cast manifold, low efficiency 12V alternator, much larger lead acid battery, turbocharger and intercooler all stuffed under the bonnet on a diesel equivalent?The passat does 1000mile on a tank because it has a big tank!
Diesel golf vs supercharged M3, I know which one I'd choose!
Fastdruid said:
pavka007 said:
Captainawesome said:
daemon said:
CraigyMc said:
JonnyVTEC said:
Pan Pan said:
The problem with hybrids is that they must also carry a heavy, space consuming set of batteries, which leaves relatively little space for a fuel tank, passengers and their luggage, so even if they do achieve good MPG, (and bear in mind you must use fuel to lug around the batteries and extra electric motors)
What about that cast iron engine block with cast manifold, low efficiency 12V alternator, much larger lead acid battery, turbocharger and intercooler all stuffed under the bonnet on a diesel equivalent?The passat does 1000mile on a tank because it has a big tank!
Diesel golf vs supercharged M3, I know which one I'd choose!
PH apparently speed doesn't matter anymore.
Fastdruid said:
And worth every penny!
Diesel golf vs supercharged M3, I know which one I'd choose!
I thought you and i had been over this before and come to a mutual understanding as to why each of us drive what we drive and how we're all compromising in some way as to what we drive?Diesel golf vs supercharged M3, I know which one I'd choose!
But i'll refresh your memory - not driving the golf for fun - driving it because it serves the purpose of getting me back and forth to work economically and reliably.
pavka007 said:
Captainawesome said:
Worth every damn penny. I measure in smiles per mile.
PH apparently speed doesn't matter anymore.
The maximum speed on public roads is 70, so yes it really doesn't matter if you drive supercharged M3 or Golf diesel PH apparently speed doesn't matter anymore.
For the love of the wee man……..what has happened to PH????
It did start as TVR forum…..I doubt if any TVR has ever been over 70 except on a track…………
Have a look at this and come back when there is some lead in your pencil. MTFU!
http://www.onhealth.com/impotence_ed/article.htm
Captainawesome said:
Acceleration and handling not important to you then????
For the love of the wee man……..what has happened to PH????
It did start as TVR forum…..I doubt if any TVR has ever been over 70 except on a track…………
Have a look at this and come back when there is some lead in your pencil. MTFU!
http://www.onhealth.com/impotence_ed/article.htm
WOW, you are so macho.....looser For the love of the wee man……..what has happened to PH????
It did start as TVR forum…..I doubt if any TVR has ever been over 70 except on a track…………
Have a look at this and come back when there is some lead in your pencil. MTFU!
http://www.onhealth.com/impotence_ed/article.htm
Captainawesome said:
Worth every damn penny. I measure in smiles per mile.
PH apparently speed doesn't matter anymore.
Its a thread about diesels and economy and how its likely to get more expensive to fuel a car.PH apparently speed doesn't matter anymore.
Who mentioned speed? And why is so important if you're stuck in a 55mph drudge every day to work and back?
I've done the big engined big motors as commuting tools and frankly the novelty of pissing £500+ a month up the wall in fuel wears off quite quickly. Once went through a fill (£134.00) of fuel in four days commuting and it gets boring very quickly.
Would personally much rather have that £350 extra a month to spend on things i want to do.
Pistonheads - where not f
king realising that other people have other interests matters.Captainawesome said:
Acceleration and handling not important to you then????
For the love of the wee man……..what has happened to PH????
You're on a thread about diesel cars? What were you expecting?For the love of the wee man……..what has happened to PH????
And i'll not bother looking for a whoosh! parrot pic but i think his point was if you're commuting in your car in the rush hour drudge, then neither top speed, acceleration nor handling really matter a whole pile.
What I don't get with the diesel are so much better at mpg so I must be saving money types are they completely forget the price difference between petrol to diesel 5-7p on average. Service cost are higher the oil in most modern diesel is also twice as expensive if not more then petrol oil, the likes of the vw longlife oil is double the price and merc specific oil is also rather expensive. Fuel filters the big block types found in citroens and the likes are more expensive too.
Then you have dmf/dpf/egr valves/turbo/injector just a small list of potentially massive bills if one of them fails which are less likely to happen on a petrol variant.
On top of that is higher purchase price compared to petrol models.
But its a personal choice for what a person wants a car to do and as long as that the reason to buy the car compared to the its better on mpg so must be cheaper types then carry on.
Me personally will stick to my old jap mx5 cheap to run never goes wrong, massive smile factor but mpg well just fill up and forget it 250 miles on average to a full tank just under 30mpg. But no expensive parts to go wrong no complex ecu system to fk up and everything is easy to get at with standard nuts and bolts not retarded torx bits etc like so many new cars.
Then you have dmf/dpf/egr valves/turbo/injector just a small list of potentially massive bills if one of them fails which are less likely to happen on a petrol variant.
On top of that is higher purchase price compared to petrol models.
But its a personal choice for what a person wants a car to do and as long as that the reason to buy the car compared to the its better on mpg so must be cheaper types then carry on.
Me personally will stick to my old jap mx5 cheap to run never goes wrong, massive smile factor but mpg well just fill up and forget it 250 miles on average to a full tank just under 30mpg. But no expensive parts to go wrong no complex ecu system to f
k up and everything is easy to get at with standard nuts and bolts not retarded torx bits etc like so many new cars.Captainawesome said:
Acceleration and handling not important to you then????
Have a look at this and come back when there is some lead in your pencil. MTFU!
Clearly it mustnt be that important if a smart car can keep up with a supercharged M3.Have a look at this and come back when there is some lead in your pencil. MTFU!
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Captainawesome said:
So, I am moving to the west coast of Scotland in a couple of months, an area full of very tight and twisty single-track roads. After a rather embarrassing incident in which I, in my M3, was unable to shake a Smart car from my bumper,
So you're on here willy waving about your supercharged M3, yet you're starting threads about how its not the right car for the roads you're now driving on and a Smart car can keep up with you???So you've got the WRONG car for your circumstances now, but yet you're poking us about the cars we drive which happen to be RIGHT for our circumstances?
Brilliant. You couldnt make it up.
Edited by daemon on Wednesday 20th August 21:33
MG CHRIS said:
What I don't get with the diesel are so much better at mpg so I must be saving money types are they completely forget the price difference between petrol to diesel 5-7p on average. Service cost are higher the oil in most modern diesel is also twice as expensive if not more then petrol oil, the likes of the vw longlife oil is double the price and merc specific oil is also rather expensive. Fuel filters the big block types found in citroens and the likes are more expensive too.
Yes. For a lot of people who drive diesels - they really shouldnt be.Personally - got 70.05mpg over the course of a brim to brim fill there, and doing 24K ish miles per year, so well in pocket.
Only needs serviced every 20K miles so not out a fortune on servicing, and it came with 2 free services anyway.
BUT, as i said, there are a percentage of people who assume diesel is the default choice for them when really its not.
MG CHRIS said:
Then you have dmf/dpf/egr valves/turbo/injector just a small list of potentially massive bills if one of them fails which are less likely to happen on a petrol variant.
Yup. Its a risk. But then the petrol variant of my car would be the 1.4TFSI which isnt exactly reknowned for reliability.MG CHRIS said:
On top of that is higher purchase price compared to petrol models.
But its a personal choice for what a person wants a car to do and as long as that the reason to buy the car compared to the its better on mpg so must be cheaper types then carry on.
Yup.But its a personal choice for what a person wants a car to do and as long as that the reason to buy the car compared to the its better on mpg so must be cheaper types then carry on.
MG CHRIS said:
Me personally will stick to my old jap mx5 cheap to run never goes wrong, massive smile factor but mpg well just fill up and forget it 250 miles on average to a full tank just under 30mpg. But no expensive parts to go wrong no complex ecu system to fk up and everything is easy to get at with standard nuts and bolts not retarded torx bits etc like so many new cars.
Yes. Had a mx5 there recently - just a cheapie old one and my third so far - loved it, had a wail of a time. Took it to work a few times. Fun for a day or two, but quite draining - not really a commuting car, but love to have one when i can as a weekend toy.k up and everything is easy to get at with standard nuts and bolts not retarded torx bits etc like so many new cars.Pan Pan said:
I think it depends on how many miles you do, if you do high mileage especially on motorways, a diesel might be the better option, if you do average mileage, then a petrol engined car would be more suited.
I do between 37000 and 42000 miles a year, so fuel type can make a useful difference in costs.
I can get around 1000 miles per fill up with a Passat Bluemotion, and the convenience of being able to drive past fuel station, after fuel station, whilst travelling at the NSL in near silence, with the engine barely turning above idle RPM is worth considering. (Particularly useful when travelling abroad)
1000 miles between fill ups? Sorry I don't believe this. Unless the tank is a fair bit bigger than most cars?I do between 37000 and 42000 miles a year, so fuel type can make a useful difference in costs.
I can get around 1000 miles per fill up with a Passat Bluemotion, and the convenience of being able to drive past fuel station, after fuel station, whilst travelling at the NSL in near silence, with the engine barely turning above idle RPM is worth considering. (Particularly useful when travelling abroad)
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