RE: VW Golf GTI: Marketwatch
Discussion
Charlie Michael said:
the grip levels are very high and despite having EPS, it has gives good feedback through corners.
It's not actually EPAS, but EHPAS. Rather than having a direct drive from the auxiliary belt to the Hydraulic PAS pump, there's an electric one instead which reacts on demand. EPAS does away with all hydraulics and replaces them with a rack mounted assistance motor.Been very happy with my '08 plate Mk5 over the last 3 years, and it's values have stayed strong. The late cars are still fetching 8-10k! Probably going to sell it soon though and get something with two seats...
RacerMike said:
It's not actually EPAS, but EHPAS. Rather than having a direct drive from the auxiliary belt to the Hydraulic PAS pump, there's an electric one instead which reacts on demand. EPAS does away with all hydraulics and replaces them with a rack mounted assistance motor.
Been very happy with my '08 plate Mk5 over the last 3 years, and it's values have stayed strong. The late cars are still fetching 8-10k! Probably going to sell it soon though and get something with two seats...
Every day's a school day - cheers! Been very happy with my '08 plate Mk5 over the last 3 years, and it's values have stayed strong. The late cars are still fetching 8-10k! Probably going to sell it soon though and get something with two seats...
thatguy11 said:
Mk5 is definitely the one to go for, all things considered. Around £6k for 95% of the abilities of a £12k Mk6? no brainer, really
Yes, there is a huge gap in prices between mk5-6. Mk5s haven't lost a lot in the last year or two either though.Mine was only going to be a stopgap, but I still have it over 2.5 years later!
Might be alone in this but I loved my 16v Mk3's. Plenty quick enough, anything but dull to drive, you could even get the tail to wag with a well timed lift of the throttle. Hideously put together though, my last 16v got through 2 CV joints, 3 window regulators a glovebox lid and a gear linkage. The gear linkage which broke when one of the fluid caps in the engine came off and jammed in the linkage.
It also used to leak oil for fun, and you could set off the oil pressure warning going round a roundabout. Great cars when they worked, but the rest of the time....
It also used to leak oil for fun, and you could set off the oil pressure warning going round a roundabout. Great cars when they worked, but the rest of the time....
I'd quite like a Mk5 Gti it's nicer than a Mk4 Gti in every way only I think the interior quality isn't great compared to the Mk4 or later Mk6 that's based on it. That's really my only criticism though otherwise it's just a nice sporty car. Probably the best value Golf Gti right now as well for the performance.
Warning there's some geeky pedantry coming up now about the 1.8T:
All the 1.8T 150hp engines made about 150hp at the wheels so they make about 165hp at the flywheel (this is the main reason why all do a genuine 135mph-ish as standard). A remap will only get you about 15% more power/torque or similar figures to the 1.8T 180hp which makes a genuine 190hp-ish but with more midrange.
Wikipedia note:
People have vandalised many car pages again so now the VR6 Mk3 does 150mph and the Corrado VR6 does 160mph!
The Mk3 Golf Vr6 top speed is 138mph the Corrado Vr6 top speed is 140mph I think. Most similar figures are wrong as well I didn't bother checking other pages I'm fed up of reading that without a speed limiter an E46 M3 will do 180mph.
I've called this type of wikipedia vandalism 'small near external point' syndrome. In short: 'SINEP' syndrome.
It seems to affect young, unmarried, insecure, male posers who can't accept anything's faster than their car.
Warning there's some geeky pedantry coming up now about the 1.8T:
All the 1.8T 150hp engines made about 150hp at the wheels so they make about 165hp at the flywheel (this is the main reason why all do a genuine 135mph-ish as standard). A remap will only get you about 15% more power/torque or similar figures to the 1.8T 180hp which makes a genuine 190hp-ish but with more midrange.
Wikipedia note:
People have vandalised many car pages again so now the VR6 Mk3 does 150mph and the Corrado VR6 does 160mph!
The Mk3 Golf Vr6 top speed is 138mph the Corrado Vr6 top speed is 140mph I think. Most similar figures are wrong as well I didn't bother checking other pages I'm fed up of reading that without a speed limiter an E46 M3 will do 180mph.
I've called this type of wikipedia vandalism 'small near external point' syndrome. In short: 'SINEP' syndrome.
It seems to affect young, unmarried, insecure, male posers who can't accept anything's faster than their car.
Amirhussain said:
Why not that much love for the Mk2, compared to the Mk1?
I had a Mk 1 1800 for a while ( between 2 2-litre Escorts ) but I never really 'gelled' with it - had a few niggles and always thought a Mk2 might have been better made.I like the Mk5 to look at and might be tempted in one of the current shapes at some point
I've always been a fan of Golf GTIs and admire each generation for various reasons. Granted there is some variation between the performance of some models and there have been a few slip ups like allowing a 2.0 8v and 1.8 20v NA to be badged GTIs, but since the mk5 things have been very much on the up.
I've been watching prices on mk5s for a while since I'm quite certain I will get one next year and make my Corrado VR6 more of a track car.
It also kills me that about 4 years ago I sold a 1990 bug bumper spec GTI 16v with 80k , full leather and in my opinion all the right engine/suspension/brake modifications for what now appears a pittance at £1500.
Thankfully I still have a 130k 2 owner Mk2 GTI 16v that is undergoing a substantial restoration and hopefully next year will be ready for a final respray and back on the road. I expect with purchase cost, repairs, upgrades and a respray that the car will be worth more than it cost to build which will make me happier knowing the car will be with me for a while.
I've just broke a mk3 16v so that it's engine/running gear can find it's way into a mates mk2 GTI 16v , in my opinion mk3s are best as donor cars. If you want a VR6 get a Corrado as it is better in every possible way!!
I've been watching prices on mk5s for a while since I'm quite certain I will get one next year and make my Corrado VR6 more of a track car.
It also kills me that about 4 years ago I sold a 1990 bug bumper spec GTI 16v with 80k , full leather and in my opinion all the right engine/suspension/brake modifications for what now appears a pittance at £1500.
Thankfully I still have a 130k 2 owner Mk2 GTI 16v that is undergoing a substantial restoration and hopefully next year will be ready for a final respray and back on the road. I expect with purchase cost, repairs, upgrades and a respray that the car will be worth more than it cost to build which will make me happier knowing the car will be with me for a while.
I've just broke a mk3 16v so that it's engine/running gear can find it's way into a mates mk2 GTI 16v , in my opinion mk3s are best as donor cars. If you want a VR6 get a Corrado as it is better in every possible way!!
chrisxr2 said:
Mk iv very tempting, seem to hold their value well and nice on the eye, always wonder though when reviews say they are maybe a bit clinical, torn between a nice one or a mk1 focus rs.
To be honest I get fed up of the guff in reviews like "at 9/10ths it's a fantastic car but step over that it becomes rubbish" style comments when it appears that all some road testers want to do is deliberately induce understeer situations and blame the car not their driving.DRIVE ONE and see how it makes YOU feel and how well it suits YOUR driving style.
shoestring7 said:
mrclav said:
GTEYE said:
Subjectively, it doesn't seem to be as popular as it once was, although £30k prices may well answer that one.
People get caught up on "it's £30k for a Golf!" but conveniently forget about inflation. Also, I'm pretty sure finance has made buying a car nowadays a lot easier than back then. If they're not as (admittedly subjectively) popular now as they were in say, 1989 then it's probably due to factors such as choice of what's on sale, what is "fashionable" i.e. SUVs and the like, but almost certainly not because of the price.SS7
Edited by mrclav on Wednesday 20th August 17:53
mrclav said:
've been trying to find out what the price was for a MKI back in the early 80s but to no avail. £28k in 2004/5? Wow. was it optioned up so to speak?
around £7-8k for a GTI when a base model started at close to £4k.I've got some old adverts/posters at home that should help...
GTEYE said:
mrclav said:
GTEYE said:
Subjectively, it doesn't seem to be as popular as it once was, although £30k prices may well answer that one.
People get caught up on "it's £30k for a Golf!" but conveniently forget about inflation. Also, I'm pretty sure finance has made buying a car nowadays a lot easier than back then. If they're not as (admittedly subjectively) popular now as they were in say, 1989 then it's probably due to factors such as choice of what's on sale, what is "fashionable" i.e. SUVs and the like, but almost certainly not because of the price.I bought one, and it was great. But not £30k great.
aka_kerrly said:
mrclav said:
've been trying to find out what the price was for a MKI back in the early 80s but to no avail. £28k in 2004/5? Wow. was it optioned up so to speak?
around £7-8k for a GTI when a base model started at close to £4k.I've got some old adverts/posters at home that should help...
Sold a 1989 Mk2 16v in Oak Green a few years back with a blown headgasket for £400 because I was fed up with it and wanted another 205gti. Kind of regret that selling price 
Had a mk5 for 3 years and loved it.
Currently running a mk4 TDI Anniversary - decent car for what it is, but no mk5.
Had a mk5 for 3 years and loved it.
Currently running a mk4 TDI Anniversary - decent car for what it is, but no mk5.
mrclav said:
shoestring7 said:
mrclav said:
GTEYE said:
Subjectively, it doesn't seem to be as popular as it once was, although £30k prices may well answer that one.
People get caught up on "it's £30k for a Golf!" but conveniently forget about inflation. Also, I'm pretty sure finance has made buying a car nowadays a lot easier than back then. If they're not as (admittedly subjectively) popular now as they were in say, 1989 then it's probably due to factors such as choice of what's on sale, what is "fashionable" i.e. SUVs and the like, but almost certainly not because of the price.SS7
By mid 88 a 3 door 16v was around £12,200 depending on options
Edited by s m on Wednesday 20th August 18:06
Started with a Mk1 1600 and then an 1800 - ok but got drawn to the Mk 2. Had two myself, lovely cars and wish I hadn't sold the one my wife had later when we thought it a good idea to change. To my mind the Mk2 was the best.
Had a Mk4 V6 4 motion....could wait to get rid of it.
Tried a Mk 5 but wasn't keen and bought. BMW 130i instead.
Greatest 'Golf GTi' was the VR6 Corrado
Had a Mk4 V6 4 motion....could wait to get rid of it.
Tried a Mk 5 but wasn't keen and bought. BMW 130i instead.
Greatest 'Golf GTi' was the VR6 Corrado
I owned a Mk4 GTI 20v Turbo in the early 00's. Put a deposit down for it then picked it up 2 weeks later as we were away on holidays
I remember the day vividly to this day, gave the proprietor the keys to my E30 M3 Cecotto plus a cheque for 7k
, signed all the relevant paperwork then jumped in for the 160 mile trip home. I wasn't even 10 miles down the road and I thought what the hell have I bloody well gone and done, a well put together, fully loaded 2yr old car that was like new but just no smile factor in it for me
. Kept it 10 months and outed it.
For me I would love a late 8v or 16v Mk2 in Oak Green just for the w/end but for regular use a Mk5 Edition 30 would be my choice with a little remap for the odd blast
I remember the day vividly to this day, gave the proprietor the keys to my E30 M3 Cecotto plus a cheque for 7k
, signed all the relevant paperwork then jumped in for the 160 mile trip home. I wasn't even 10 miles down the road and I thought what the hell have I bloody well gone and done, a well put together, fully loaded 2yr old car that was like new but just no smile factor in it for me. Kept it 10 months and outed it.For me I would love a late 8v or 16v Mk2 in Oak Green just for the w/end but for regular use a Mk5 Edition 30 would be my choice with a little remap for the odd blast
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