RE: BMW M3 on the Manx: Time For Tea?
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FBP1 said:
In a similar spirit in another iconic tarmac car - Simon McKinley. He's a bit quick (and absolutely loony)...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwl40XFvpLE
Good grief.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwl40XFvpLE
Is he quick as well as being right on the edge?
Superb
Edit: just found his very impressive car on Speedhunters. Yes, he is quick!
Edited by MC Bodge on Thursday 21st August 18:54
Oh, he's very quick... A real shame someone hasn't taken him on and funded him properly as he's like Vatanen reborn when he's really on it.
Often wins hill climbs outright against single seaters and is an invited driver to some of the big hill climbs in Europe as he is a real crowd puller. All in a shed built escort.
800kg mk 2 with a 315BHP Connaught Pinto.
http://www.speedhunters.com/2014/02/warrior-comes-...
He needs a pistonheads article - he's also trying to raise enough cash to go and show some of these continental types in Luxembourg how to go up a hill properly in October this year. Time for a PH whiparound? I'd enjoy seeing an all white but for a big black PH logo-ed Mk 2 on its door handles scaring all the fancy dans in their expensive state of the art weaponry
Often wins hill climbs outright against single seaters and is an invited driver to some of the big hill climbs in Europe as he is a real crowd puller. All in a shed built escort.
800kg mk 2 with a 315BHP Connaught Pinto.
http://www.speedhunters.com/2014/02/warrior-comes-...
He needs a pistonheads article - he's also trying to raise enough cash to go and show some of these continental types in Luxembourg how to go up a hill properly in October this year. Time for a PH whiparound? I'd enjoy seeing an all white but for a big black PH logo-ed Mk 2 on its door handles scaring all the fancy dans in their expensive state of the art weaponry
Edited by FBP1 on Thursday 21st August 22:48
After watching that I think a future PH topic should run along the lines of:
"The Group A BMW M3 and the Group 4 Escort RS1800 are the most balanced and throttle-adjustable competition cars ever built - discuss!"
Some more addiction material here (there's tons of it on YouTube):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKnUWOkct9c
Features some footage of three of the earliest (and best) M3 protagonists in my view - obviously Patrick Snijers (Bastos car), also Marc Duez in the FINA-sponsored example and Bernard Beguin in the Rothmans-liveried car.
Also, an in-car video of Irish legend Billy Coleman with co-driver Ronan Morgan in a Prodrive M3 on the 1987 Circuit of Ireland:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN1Jp6d3QkA
"The Group A BMW M3 and the Group 4 Escort RS1800 are the most balanced and throttle-adjustable competition cars ever built - discuss!"
Some more addiction material here (there's tons of it on YouTube):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKnUWOkct9c
Features some footage of three of the earliest (and best) M3 protagonists in my view - obviously Patrick Snijers (Bastos car), also Marc Duez in the FINA-sponsored example and Bernard Beguin in the Rothmans-liveried car.
Also, an in-car video of Irish legend Billy Coleman with co-driver Ronan Morgan in a Prodrive M3 on the 1987 Circuit of Ireland:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN1Jp6d3QkA
Sideways and still quickest.Incredible footage and awesome driving.
How good does that M3 sound? Like a more refined BDA?
This is what rallying needs to get back too imho. Large variety of cars (which look like showroom models) preferably with manual gearboxes and RWD, driven amazingly well by fantastic drivers.
I watched an onboard of Ari Vatanen piloting a Manta 400 in the '83 Manx on Youtube the other day (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ubdVZP1oV8) and it literally took my breath away! The skill and reflexes. I'm sure current WRC drivers are just as talented and that the cars are quicker, but surely it takes a helluva lot more concentration to drive the old grp a&b stuff?
How good does that M3 sound? Like a more refined BDA?
This is what rallying needs to get back too imho. Large variety of cars (which look like showroom models) preferably with manual gearboxes and RWD, driven amazingly well by fantastic drivers.
I watched an onboard of Ari Vatanen piloting a Manta 400 in the '83 Manx on Youtube the other day (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ubdVZP1oV8) and it literally took my breath away! The skill and reflexes. I'm sure current WRC drivers are just as talented and that the cars are quicker, but surely it takes a helluva lot more concentration to drive the old grp a&b stuff?
kramv8 said:
I'm sure current WRC drivers are just as talented and that the cars are quicker, but surely it takes a helluva lot more concentration to drive the old grp a&b stuff?
Racing is racing (rallying) and the best drivers are still the best drivers. There might be a slightly different skillset required for cars from different eras.The older rallying footage appears more dramatic.
Modern rallying tech has arguably become too refined and developed.
truck71 said:
e21Mark said:
pSyCoSiS said:
Pure driving genius.
Silly question - but is that particular rally car engine turbo charged or naturally aspirated?
No turbo required. Silly question - but is that particular rally car engine turbo charged or naturally aspirated?
I'm happy with 230!
Yikes!
Just reading up in Jeremy Waltons book on the 3 series which is quoting nearer 365bhp@ 9000rpm for a group A spec engine so maybe 380 in a DTM is a bit high. The single slide fuel injection is quoted as being good to deliver 330 with all the other bits, not sure how it would drive on the road though. What's particularly impressive is the 275 quoted for 2 litre BTCC spec engines albeit with a very short stroke 72.6mm.
230 on the road with a decent stock set up would be plenty.
Just reading up in Jeremy Waltons book on the 3 series which is quoting nearer 365bhp@ 9000rpm for a group A spec engine so maybe 380 in a DTM is a bit high. The single slide fuel injection is quoted as being good to deliver 330 with all the other bits, not sure how it would drive on the road though. What's particularly impressive is the 275 quoted for 2 litre BTCC spec engines albeit with a very short stroke 72.6mm.
230 on the road with a decent stock set up would be plenty.
truck71 said:
Yikes!
Just reading up in Jeremy Waltons book on the 3 series which is quoting nearer 365bhp@ 9000rpm for a group A spec engine so maybe 380 in a DTM is a bit high. The single slide fuel injection is quoted as being good to deliver 330 with all the other bits, not sure how it would drive on the road though. What's particularly impressive is the 275 quoted for 2 litre BTCC spec engines albeit with a very short stroke 72.6mm.
230 on the road with a decent stock set up would be plenty.
This is 230'ish and I find it just about spot on.Just reading up in Jeremy Waltons book on the 3 series which is quoting nearer 365bhp@ 9000rpm for a group A spec engine so maybe 380 in a DTM is a bit high. The single slide fuel injection is quoted as being good to deliver 330 with all the other bits, not sure how it would drive on the road though. What's particularly impressive is the 275 quoted for 2 litre BTCC spec engines albeit with a very short stroke 72.6mm.
230 on the road with a decent stock set up would be plenty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jqogfgHHPU
e21Mark said:
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