RE: Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0: Spotted

[Soov535]

matpilch said:

it is the ultimate 911 after all

Hmmmm.

http://www.specialistcarsltd.co.uk/vehicle/porsche...

[EricE]

schwarz993 said:

Anyone choosing a 4.0 RS over a CGT needs to have their head examined.

I’m not sure I could afford to keep a CGT on the road. I believe a clutch replacement costs about as much as a hot hatch from last year. God knows what happens if anything else goes wrong. I’d take the RS 4.0, thank you very much.

[J4CKO]

Chris Harris said:

J4CKO said:

Don't think his current fleet will be appreciating, FF Dont think so, Range Rover, definitely not, 2CV may make a few quid, but not 100 plus grand.

hindsight is a wonderful thing

2.5 Sport Evo seems to be doing okay. 512 TR? Even the old M5 has moved quite a bit. It's all ups and downs. They all get driven properly. And craving them matters far more than them appreciating.

Liking this crazy market purely because it makes for very interesting pub banter!

God, I forget how many cars you actually own !

Those additional three you mention all seem to be doing quite nicely.

[av185]

Davey S2 said:

British Beef said:

I also dont understand that the new GT3 is better in almost every department (apart from manual box and bbq tendency), according to most the reviews I have seen / read, yet someone is willing to pay nearly 3 times the cost of a brand new GT3 for an "old" GT3 with delivery miles.

This must purely be value associated to the rarity card, as mentioned by Mr Green above.

Smaller numbers (especially in rhd), last GT3 with a manual gearbox and the Mezger engine.

Yes.....c28 GT3 RS 4.0 v 132 991 GT3s for UK.

[Davey S2]

EricE said:

schwarz993 said:

Anyone choosing a 4.0 RS over a CGT needs to have their head examined.

I’m not sure I could afford to keep a CGT on the road. I believe a clutch replacement costs about as much as a hot hatch from last year. God knows what happens if anything else goes wrong. I’d take the RS 4.0, thank you very much.

If you could pay £300K for a 4.0 I doubt the running costs on a CGT would matter that much.

To reiterate go to 11.35 of this vid and just listen to the thing. No 911 will ever sound as good. Actually I'm struggling to think of anything that sounds as good unless you have the funds for a Ferrari F50 or LM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detai...

Edited by Davey S2 on Thursday 21st August 14:41

[Paracetamol]

As some of you are aware I am putting together a collection of traditional and modern classics for a close friend. We purchased both the CGT and the 997 gt3 rs 4.0 for the collection. Both very different cars but amazing in their own respect..

[J4CKO]

So, if I had what 120/140 grand ? and could buy a new one (991) and keep it for a few years, say 5, what are the chances of getting that money back plus profit ?

Is it a no brainer or is the Porsche market so fickle that because it cant be had with a manual it will go down in value ?

How are 996 GT3's doing ?

[Dave Hedgehog]

Davey S2 said:

EricE said:

schwarz993 said:

Anyone choosing a 4.0 RS over a CGT needs to have their head examined.

I’m not sure I could afford to keep a CGT on the road. I believe a clutch replacement costs about as much as a hot hatch from last year. God knows what happens if anything else goes wrong. I’d take the RS 4.0, thank you very much.

If you could pay £300K for a 4.0 I doubt the running costs on a CGT would matter that much.

To reiterate go to 11.35 of this vid and just listen to the thing. No 911 will ever sound as good. Actually I'm struggling to think of anything that sounds as good unless you have the funds for a Ferrari F50 or LM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detai...

Edited by Davey S2 on Thursday 21st August 14:41

Lexus LFA, but then the V10 was built by toyota's F1 division in the F1 engine factory

[British Beef]

hondansx said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

until the next one

Not necessarily. It could be the last manual, which will be as important as the air cooled factor (note prices of 993 Turbos despite almost 6,000 produced).

Can a 991 manual box be fitted to the 991 GT3 without too much difficulty from a regularl 991 C2S?
That would make it, manual, very very rare & 911 GT3 - for me that would trump this GT3 RS in every department at a fraction of the cost (assuming my name is Sheik Beef & I am in the market for such a thing).

Hell, if I really was Sheik Beef, I would even pay to get it on the grid of Le Mans 2015, and pay Alonso, Hamilton & Vettel a few quid to race it, to give it ultimate credentials.

Then lock it up in a barn, unveiling it at Pebble beach in 2064 and by then it will be worth about the same as 10 250GTOs!!!

[Soov535]

J4CKO said:

So, if I had what 120/140 grand ? and could buy a new one (991) and keep it for a few years, say 5, what are the chances of getting that money back plus profit ?

Is it a no brainer or is the Porsche market so fickle that because it cant be had with a manual it will go down in value ?

How are 996 GT3's doing ?

Ninety grand.



http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

[oldtimer2]

Someone earlier likened this price inflation to tulip mania. I agree. I think the bubble will deflate if not burst - as the recent Pebble Beach auctions of a few high profile cars revealed. The author of the earlier PH article predicting astronomical prices for certain cars should be invited back to tell us what actually happened; what were the successful bid prices versus what was forecast and which cars were withdrawn (at least one McLaren) because the bids were too low.

Besides I think the white wheels on the Porsche look naff.

[Davey S2]

J4CKO said:

So, if I had what 120/140 grand ? and could buy a new one (991) and keep it for a few years, say 5, what are the chances of getting that money back plus profit ?

Is it a no brainer or is the Porsche market so fickle that because it cant be had with a manual it will go down in value ?

How are 996 GT3's doing ?

991 GT3 is no different to any other new high end sportscar IMO. It will command a premium for a while which wil then disappear then gradually begin to depreciate as it gets older.

Given how good the 991 is though i'd expect residuals to stay strong for quite a while.

[epom]

I want a Carrera GT

[Itsallicanafford]

..when are E46 M3 CSL values going to get really moving? With the latest M3 still slower around the ring, surely they might make take a big leap soon?

[articulatedj]

Once again, PH neglects to mention that the running costs are in a whole other category for the CGT.

Replacing the clutch is $25K
Replacing the brakes is $30K
An oil change is $3K

Almost every part is bespoke, so it will continue to cost a fortune to run.

Not that I don't think it's worth it, but it's apples to oranges.

[cidered77]

Itsallicanafford said:

..when are E46 M3 CSL values going to get really moving? With the latest M3 still slower around the ring, surely they might make take a big leap soon?

only 374 UK 1Ms left - come on now crazy market, let's see them for £120k please in a few years - I want in on this bubble business!!

[cidered77]

articulatedj said:

Once again, PH neglects to mention that the running costs are in a whole other category for the CGT.

Replacing the clutch is $25K
Replacing the brakes is $30K
An oil change is $3K

Almost every part is bespoke, so it will continue to cost a fortune to run.

Not that I don't think it's worth it, but it's apples to oranges.

indeed - another popular argument, is "if you can afford X, you can afford <two of X/ X+Y/X+Y+solid gold house, delete as appropriate>. In my experience not often true. Plenty of people with 458s whilst they have other more sensible cars don't just have the cash to buy 2 - they stretch themselves as we all do to get the car they want.

Same for running costs - if you can afford to purchase a CGT, you can't necessarily run it when you consider the monstrous costs above...

[epom]

cidered77 said:

articulatedj said:

Once again, PH neglects to mention that the running costs are in a whole other category for the CGT.

Replacing the clutch is $25K
Replacing the brakes is $30K
An oil change is $3K

Almost every part is bespoke, so it will continue to cost a fortune to run.

Not that I don't think it's worth it, but it's apples to oranges.

indeed - another popular argument, is "if you can afford X, you can afford <two of X/ X+Y/X+Y+solid gold house, delete as appropriate>. In my experience not often true. Plenty of people with 458s whilst they have other more sensible cars don't just have the cash to buy 2 - they stretch themselves as we all do to get the car they want.

Same for running costs - if you can afford to purchase a CGT, you can't necessarily run it when you consider the monstrous costs above...

Can't imagine the costs with the GT3 RS 4.0 being very cheap should anything major go wrong with it either. Small numbers built with a lot of bespoke parts.

[Leins]

Chris Harris said:

2.5 Sport Evo seems to be doing okay. 512 TR? Even the old M5 has moved quite a bit. It's all ups and downs. They all get driven properly. And craving them matters far more than them appreciating.

Liking this crazy market purely because it makes for very interesting pub banter!

And this is key I think. If you're happy with your lot, then it doesn't matter too much. A bit like musical chairs, the music has certainly stopped for me! To change any of my cars (not all that exotic a collection to be fair) to something that I believe would retain the same core values I look for in each but significantly improve in other areas would take a considerable chunk of dosh

So while I may still dream of a garage full with the likes of a 924 Carrera GT, 964 RS, Alpina B6 3.5S & Maserati Shamal, the boat has pretty much sailed on those now. Maybe that will change and I'll be able to pick these up like it's 2004 again, but I'm not going to get too bothered about it

I'll leave the risk of chucking £350k at a (admittedly super) 997 to someone else. Maybe they'll sell it before Christmas for £450k, and good luck to them if they do, but I just hope that if the market takes a dive they'll still love it for what it is!

[British Beef]

articulatedj said:

Once again, PH neglects to mention that the running costs are in a whole other category for the CGT.

Replacing the clutch is $25K
Replacing the brakes is $30K
An oil change is $3K

Almost every part is bespoke, so it will continue to cost a fortune to run.

Not that I don't think it's worth it, but it's apples to oranges.

Given that most supercars do not do more than 1-2k miles per year (if that) those consumables represent 10-20 years of motoring (assuming they dont degrade through lack of use)! So average annual running costs not that bad - considering!!