RE: James Bond's new car: PH Blog
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Surely with this kind of partnership a deal has probably been done already to secure a JLR bond car....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DK_1Px8yDI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DK_1Px8yDI
article said:
...The idea of a Morgan is very appealing. It does fast and cool with the best of them but I would be concerned nobody really knows what it is...
If you think about it, Aston-Martin was a relatively obscure brand before the DB5 made its, now legendary, appearance in Goldfinger. Apart from a few aging hillclimb enthusiasts who remembered it as "Bamford and Martin", just how well-known was Aston before 1964? I know that, in America at least (undoubtedly Bond's biggest target market), Aston-Martin was almost completely unknown to the general public. After Goldfinger and, subsequently, Thunderball, Aston-Martin was a household name all over the country.
So, when you think about it, a Morgan would make perfect sense; a bit old-fashioned and brutish (just like Bond, himself!), whilst being elegant, making a great noise, is quintessentially British, and would introduce the brand to a wider audience.
All that said, mention of the book, Solo makes me think this would do just fine, as well! And with a 440 cubic inch big-block V8, it would be plenty fast enough!
Just look at it!
I agree with giving Bond a Morgan as his company car when his cover is say, a millionaire CEO/Director of Universal Exports who likes to frequent casino's. Other than that, his realistic choice could be as mentioned before, a C63 AMG as his companies 'pool car', a car that blends in everywhere. Break with the tradition of Aston Martin. If the producers could get a blond haired actor to portray the ruthless, focused and single minded 'Flemings Bond' from the novels with much lauded acclaim, then I am sure breaking the relationship with AM will not be harmful if done with plausibility.
Having said that, how about the 1985 Aston Martin V8 Vantage from the Living Daylights as his own personal car?
Having said that, how about the 1985 Aston Martin V8 Vantage from the Living Daylights as his own personal car?
zeppelin101 said:
Andy JB said:
Preferably something British to keep the flag flying in full.
So that rules out Jaguar, Rolls, Bentley, and Aston for a start. You never know its so far away to the next film it could be the new awaited TVR!! Failing that a Noble, McLaren or even a modern Morgan are the obvious choices.
Personally I think the Lotus Evora would be a good choice while funding the UK deficit - or is that not British owned these days?
So because the owners aren't British they are no longer British companies? All of the engineering and manufacture of the final vehicles for Jaguar products is done in the UK. Fail to see how it could be more British.So that rules out Jaguar, Rolls, Bentley, and Aston for a start. You never know its so far away to the next film it could be the new awaited TVR!! Failing that a Noble, McLaren or even a modern Morgan are the obvious choices.
Personally I think the Lotus Evora would be a good choice while funding the UK deficit - or is that not British owned these days?
Andy JB said:
Errr yes in essence - if its not owned by by a British company then its not British. It may be assembeled here using other countries parts or even some British manufactured parts, but the profits go back directly to the wholly owned company in Malaysia or India or who ever owns it. I don't see this a British company in the way Noble or perhaps Morgan are wholly owned UK companies. They would however like you to think they are British for marketing purposes - have you seen the new Jaguar advert.....
I see what you're saying but the cars are manufactured and engineered in Britain and the company originates from Britain. I emigrated to Canada last year and in 4 years time if I stay could become a Canadian citizen if I wanted to. That doesn't make me Canadian though does it (because I was born in Britain)? Likewise, my son was born in Canada, so he's Canadian. Both his parents and his older sister being British doesn't change that. Solo set in the 60's, talks of Jensen's. To me 60's = Style, 70's = Retro. May I put forward this for consideration. The Jensen 1966 CV8-MK3. Its British. needs total rebuild, 1 of 8 made in Black. Has Red leather interior. Dont know what shade of red leather as there were 3 shades available so dont know how many of the 8 were black with this color red. The wheels i know of only 1 other CV-8 MK3 in Switzerland that has them. As luck would have it the number plate is FON2D.
Andy JB said:
zeppelin101 said:
Andy JB said:
Preferably something British to keep the flag flying in full.
So that rules out Jaguar, Rolls, Bentley, and Aston for a start. You never know its so far away to the next film it could be the new awaited TVR!! Failing that a Noble, McLaren or even a modern Morgan are the obvious choices.
Personally I think the Lotus Evora would be a good choice while funding the UK deficit - or is that not British owned these days?
So because the owners aren't British they are no longer British companies? All of the engineering and manufacture of the final vehicles for Jaguar products is done in the UK. Fail to see how it could be more British.So that rules out Jaguar, Rolls, Bentley, and Aston for a start. You never know its so far away to the next film it could be the new awaited TVR!! Failing that a Noble, McLaren or even a modern Morgan are the obvious choices.
Personally I think the Lotus Evora would be a good choice while funding the UK deficit - or is that not British owned these days?
Toyota have made great inroads in the American car market by pointing out in their advertisements, rather un-subtly, that their cars are "built in America", whereas many of the Big Three's cars are built in Canada or Mexico. Brilliant bit of marketing which has many Americans claiming their Toyotas are "American" cars. They fail to realise that the profits are still going overseas. This sort of marketing has worked because many Americans are morons. After all, it was Toyota who realised enough Americans are gullible enough that if they sold re-badged Japanese Market Toyotas with a "fancy"-sounding name (Lexus) and some wood applique, they can charge thousands more for them!
Who cares where the profits go? Seems a fairly petty thing to take offence to; surely when you think about what makes something British you're more concerned with where in the world the cars are built, which nationality designed and engineered them - the national origins and physical location of the skilled men and women who turn the vehicle from an idea in the CEO's head into a driveable, sellable product? That's where the pride should come from - not the nationality of the handful of people at the top who stump up the cash.
I work for one of those British companies that many say doesn't count as British due to the precise nature of the company ownership, and it really winds me up - because on our site in Britain talented Brits spend months and years painstakingly styling the car, more talented Brits spend months and years engineering it, many finished components from British suppliers arrive at the British factory (though not all, but that's normal in the car industry) where they're painstakingly assembled by British factory technicians and craftsmen, the finished cars quality controlled by Brits and taken for final road test sign offs on British roads by British drivers before being packed onto British lorries to be shipped off to their final destinations with dealers and customers worldwide. But someone who's not a Brit stumped up the cash for development and pockets some of the profit so apparently the car doesn't count as British anymore.
I work for one of those British companies that many say doesn't count as British due to the precise nature of the company ownership, and it really winds me up - because on our site in Britain talented Brits spend months and years painstakingly styling the car, more talented Brits spend months and years engineering it, many finished components from British suppliers arrive at the British factory (though not all, but that's normal in the car industry) where they're painstakingly assembled by British factory technicians and craftsmen, the finished cars quality controlled by Brits and taken for final road test sign offs on British roads by British drivers before being packed onto British lorries to be shipped off to their final destinations with dealers and customers worldwide. But someone who's not a Brit stumped up the cash for development and pockets some of the profit so apparently the car doesn't count as British anymore.
So, despite Jaguar's and Land Rover's products being designed, engineered, developed, tested and built in Britain, where they employ (in 2012, which is now way out of date) 25,000 people at, (conservatively) £30K each (That's £750M), it is an Indian car?
I call trolling...
I'm with the previous metaphor. It doesn't matter where your parents are from. If you are born in Britain, grow up here, live here, married to a British person, get paid here, and pay your taxes here, you are British. (Or whatever your country of choice) It isn't as if JLR are asset stripping and leeching money out of the company to "send it back home" at our expense.
I call trolling...
I'm with the previous metaphor. It doesn't matter where your parents are from. If you are born in Britain, grow up here, live here, married to a British person, get paid here, and pay your taxes here, you are British. (Or whatever your country of choice) It isn't as if JLR are asset stripping and leeching money out of the company to "send it back home" at our expense.
Europa1 said:
civicduty said:
Anything as long as it has a ton of gadgets and Daniel Craig/Craig Daniel is no where near it. Plus the 'Q' bloke from the last pitiful Bond outing needs retiring and one that likes gadgets needs to come in. If you want Bond to be the book Bond read the sodding books.
Daniel Craig plays him as a seriously f£&@ed up individual with an unhealthy attitude to women and alcohol, and not too much reliance on gadgets. How is that not like the books?
civicduty said:
Exactly, I was inferring that I don't want Film Bond to be like Book Bond, I want my cars gadget laden, villians to live in hollowed out volcanoes and the story lines outrageous.
Ah, now I understand your point. So back to an invisible Aston Martin Vanquish and giant satellite based death ray? That film (other than the delicious Rosamund Pike) was a real nadir, and faced with the likes of the Bourne franchise, the Bond movie risked dying out altogether.Pedantry alert - did you mean implying rather than inferring?
OwenK said:
Who cares where the profits go? Seems a fairly petty thing to take offence to; surely when you think about what makes something British you're more concerned with where in the world the cars are built, which nationality designed and engineered them - the national origins and physical location of the skilled men and women who turn the vehicle from an idea in the CEO's head into a driveable, sellable product? That's where the pride should come from - not the nationality of the handful of people at the top who stump up the cash.
I work for one of those British companies that many say doesn't count as British due to the precise nature of the company ownership, and it really winds me up - because on our site in Britain talented Brits spend months and years painstakingly styling the car, more talented Brits spend months and years engineering it, many finished components from British suppliers arrive at the British factory (though not all, but that's normal in the car industry) where they're painstakingly assembled by British factory technicians and craftsmen, the finished cars quality controlled by Brits and taken for final road test sign offs on British roads by British drivers before being packed onto British lorries to be shipped off to their final destinations with dealers and customers worldwide. But someone who's not a Brit stumped up the cash for development and pockets some of the profit so apparently the car doesn't count as British anymore.
Well said, I'm not sure what "company ownership" means these days anyway.I work for one of those British companies that many say doesn't count as British due to the precise nature of the company ownership, and it really winds me up - because on our site in Britain talented Brits spend months and years painstakingly styling the car, more talented Brits spend months and years engineering it, many finished components from British suppliers arrive at the British factory (though not all, but that's normal in the car industry) where they're painstakingly assembled by British factory technicians and craftsmen, the finished cars quality controlled by Brits and taken for final road test sign offs on British roads by British drivers before being packed onto British lorries to be shipped off to their final destinations with dealers and customers worldwide. But someone who's not a Brit stumped up the cash for development and pockets some of the profit so apparently the car doesn't count as British anymore.
Particularly for a big enterprise.
Its unlikely to be a nice English David Brown type figure, more probably a mix of pension funds, hedge funds, staff and individuals of various nationalities and importance.
If its a PLC that can include you.
What matters is where is that they do there job by providing the necessary funds and that the product is designed and meade here by British people
To select Bonds car, you have to get into his head.... What would Bond drive?
We are familiar with the Astons/Lotus/BMW because of product placement. But Fleming's Bond wasn't one for an off the shelf car. 'The Locomotive' he drove in the early books was a re-bodied Bentley Continental with an 'switchable' after-market (Arnott) supercharger. Fleming is quite detailed in his description.
This says to me that Bond would want something individual with his own 'stamp' on it (Not 'Q' branch's). A GT not a Sports car. Maybe a modernised classic
But exaclty what I couldn't really say.
We are familiar with the Astons/Lotus/BMW because of product placement. But Fleming's Bond wasn't one for an off the shelf car. 'The Locomotive' he drove in the early books was a re-bodied Bentley Continental with an 'switchable' after-market (Arnott) supercharger. Fleming is quite detailed in his description.
This says to me that Bond would want something individual with his own 'stamp' on it (Not 'Q' branch's). A GT not a Sports car. Maybe a modernised classic
But exaclty what I couldn't really say.
Bbqdude said:
Bond will obviously have an F Type in next year's film IF the deal with Jaguar stands fast (and why wouldn't it?). Skyfall had no modern Astons because there wasn't the money to renew the contract I believe; the next film won't have that problem and if the producers want a new Vanquish (and a very lovely choice that would be) it shouldn't be too difficult. A Rapide would have been perfect in Skyfall for all the XJ's scenes, a wasted opportunity there. The One 77 is unlikely; it's simply too rare and expensive. Outside choices include the Zagatos; DB9 and Vantage, a bit Italian perhaps and unlikely to feature if the shoot needs multiple examples to be destroyed. They'd certainly cut a fine dash however and would be cooler than a Vanquish. No risk of a Cygnet since you can't buy a new one; would have been funny for a scene I guess.
The one car I think would fit Bond very well is the aforementioned C63, in a silvery grey. Cutting-edge, very quick and flashy enough in most contexts but not ridiculously expensive or over-the-top. Aston and AMG are in bed now aren't they?
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