Driving a manual car on auto only licence

Driving a manual car on auto only licence

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Car Fan

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162 posts

116 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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This should probably be in SP&L, but as a new member I can't post there yet.

I was just wondering what the law was regarding an auto licence holder driving a manual car on the motorway, if accompanied by a manual licence holder and displaying L plates? I know that provisional licence holders can't use motorways, but in this scenario the driver would already have a full licence (albeit an auto only one). Is it legal?

Emubiker

951 posts

180 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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I'd have said that isn't a full uk dvlc, just an auto only dvlc. Passing a manual test allows you to drive both. So thefore with L plates you would been seen as learning to drive a manual, and therefor not allowed on the Motorway.

kambites

67,561 posts

221 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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It's an obscure enough question that I'd ask the DVLA rather than relying on a forum. smile

My guess would be that it's not legal, though.

Claudia Skies

1,098 posts

116 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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Any "learner" on L plates can only use the normal roads permitted for learners. i.e. not motorways.

It's exactly the same as e.g. having a motorcycle licence and then learning to drive a car.

Car Fan

Original Poster:

162 posts

116 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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Ok, thanks, I suppose that if the driver was just learning how to operate a manual gearbox there would be no need to drive on a motorway anyway.

thatdude

2,655 posts

127 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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The driver must ensure they have the correct insurance as well.

DrDeAtH

3,587 posts

232 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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Learners not allowed on the motorway...

Speedy11

516 posts

208 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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DrDeAtH said:
Learners not allowed on the motorway...
Some learners are, for example B+E. OP I would suggest to contact DVSA and see what they say.

The Moose

22,847 posts

209 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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I must say I don't understand why anyone (other than, say, one legged people) would take an auto test. Why limit the future possibilities?!

lightthefuse

426 posts

172 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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The Moose said:
I must say I don't understand why anyone (other than, say, one legged people) would take an auto test. Why limit the future possibilities?!
Spurious 'this', but exactly why I encouraged the missus to keep going with her manual licence. Passed second time anyway... but she still prefers to drive an auto.

kambites

67,561 posts

221 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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The Moose said:
I must say I don't understand why anyone (other than, say, one legged people) would take an auto test. Why limit the future possibilities?!
Now, I'd tend to agree - unless you're disabled (which from his previous thread, the OP is mildly) there seems little point.

In ten years' time, I suspect there will be so few manuals that it'll make little difference.

McSam

6,753 posts

175 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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I agree that it likely wouldn't be legal - an auto-only driver in a manual car is a learner, which is not normally permitted on the motorway, and there's no valid reason to take them there!

I know a couple of people with auto-only licences because so much of their mental capacity is taken up by dealing with two pedals and a 'wheel that adding complexity would be deeply unwise..

The Moose

22,847 posts

209 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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McSam said:
I agree that it likely wouldn't be legal - an auto-only driver in a manual car is a learner, which is not normally permitted on the motorway, and there's no valid reason to take them there!

I know a couple of people with auto-only licences because so much of their mental capacity is taken up by dealing with two pedals and a 'wheel that adding complexity would be deeply unwise..
One questions whether they should be on the road anyway...

Car Fan

Original Poster:

162 posts

116 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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The Moose said:
I must say I don't understand why anyone (other than, say, one legged people) would take an auto test. Why limit the future possibilities?!
I do agree, I just envisaged it as a hypothetical situation. Although I know a few people who really struggled with learning to drive a manual, and they weren't particularly safe on the road - in an auto, they're fine, though.

I, however, will be pressing on with obtaining my manual licence (currently learning).

romeogolf

2,056 posts

119 months

Friday 22nd August 2014
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The Moose said:
I must say I don't understand why anyone (other than, say, one legged people) would take an auto test. Why limit the future possibilities?!
A few people I know (Okay, 2) took auto lessons and tests because they were desperate to get their licence and just couldn't hack the coordination required for 3-pedals quick enough. I'm not in touch with either of them any longer, but at school when we were all learning/passing they were definitely in the minority. I don't suppose it's too limiting unless you need to hire a car or drive someone else's?

David87

6,656 posts

212 months

Friday 22nd August 2014
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A young employee of mine is taking automatic lessons at the moment. A few years ago I wouldn't have understood this as it would have severely restricted her future car choices, but nowadays with the onset of electric and hybrid vehicles, not to mention the availability of decent two-pedal cars in all shapes and sizes, I don't think it'll be much of a problem anymore for your average driver.

In, say, 1995, an automatic VW Golf would likely have been fairly rubbish (not driven one, just speculating!), whereas today a DSG-equipped Golf is faster and more efficient than its manual equivalent. You can even get things like Fiestas with decent dual-clutch transmissions now.

Once I move my MINI on in a year or two, I doubt I'll own another manual car ever again. eek

DonkeyApple

55,272 posts

169 months

Friday 22nd August 2014
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The Moose said:
I must say I don't understand why anyone (other than, say, one legged people) would take an auto test. Why limit the future possibilities?!
Although, it is worth pondering why a new learner would waste time, money and effort learning to drive a type of mechanism that is very fast becoming obsolete.

I suspect the future picture for the average learner today is very different from when we took our tests and autos were for pissed old men and women.

Jader1973

3,991 posts

200 months

Friday 22nd August 2014
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The Moose said:
I must say I don't understand why anyone (other than, say, one legged people) would take an auto test. Why limit the future possibilities?!
My wife drove over a small tree while her dad was teaching her to drive (in a manual Landcruiser). She eventually passed her auto test in an outback town with no traffic lights.....or roundabouts, and didn't have to reverse park because the copper doing the test had seen her practicing (only place in town with a car parked outside all day to practice on was the cop shop).

There is no way she could ever drive a manual, ever.

DJP

1,198 posts

179 months

Friday 22nd August 2014
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David87 said:
...In, say, 1995, an automatic VW Golf would likely have been fairly rubbish (not driven one, just speculating!), whereas today a DSG-equipped Golf is faster and more efficient than its manual equivalent. You can even get things like Fiestas with decent dual-clutch transmissions now...
This^^.

DonkeyApple said:
Although, it is worth pondering why a new learner would waste time, money and effort learning to drive a type of mechanism that is very fast becoming obsolete.

I suspect the future picture for the average learner today is very different from when we took our tests and autos were for pissed old men and women.
And this^^.

It's been 7 years since I last owned a manual and probably 2 years since I last drove one.

OK, my preferred type of cars (barges) mainly come as automatics but even the pool cars at work are mainly auto, so that a randomly selected example will more likely have two pedals.

In fact, the only time that I drive a manual these days is if I cheap out on a hire car. Even then, 2 out of the last 4 have been auto without me asking or paying any extra for the privilege.

Manuals are fast becoming irrelevant.

Edited by DJP on Friday 22 August 11:06

DonkeyApple

55,272 posts

169 months

Friday 22nd August 2014
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DJP said:
David87 said:
...In, say, 1995, an automatic VW Golf would likely have been fairly rubbish (not driven one, just speculating!), whereas today a DSG-equipped Golf is faster and more efficient than its manual equivalent. You can even get things like Fiestas with decent dual-clutch transmissions now...
This^^.

DonkeyApple said:
Although, it is worth pondering why a new learner would waste time, money and effort learning to drive a type of mechanism that is very fast becoming obsolete.

I suspect the future picture for the average learner today is very different from when we took our tests and autos were for pissed old men and women.
And this^^.

It's been 7 years since I last owned a manual and probably 2 years since I last drove one.

OK, my preferred type of cars (barges) mainly come as automatics but even the pool cars at work are mainly auto, so that a randomly selected example will more likely have two pedals.

In fact, the only time that I drive a manual these days is if I cheap out on a hire car. Even then, 2 out of the last 4 have been auto without me asking or paying any extra for the privilege.

Manuals are fast becoming irrelevant.

Edited by DJP on Friday 22 August 11:06
Modern autos are just superior to manuals in all logical ways.

I can see an argument that unless you are a can fan and want the specific pleasure of driving a manual then the average driver, going forward, is likely to only ever drive or come across an auto.