MPG and your reasons!!!
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I regularly do a 100 mile journey in a fast car and a slow car (pretty much alternating). Over that distance, the fast car is 15 mins quicker so could easily fit in a fuel stop and still turn up earlier. If I took a liberal approach to speed limits, I imagine that the difference would be more like 30 mins.
I think this filling up thing is massively overstated on PH. I hate filling up as much as anyone, but its 5 mins once every couple of weeks! I wouldn't drive something dull as dishwater to make that once a month instead (800 mile range vs my current 400 mile range).
I think this filling up thing is massively overstated on PH. I hate filling up as much as anyone, but its 5 mins once every couple of weeks! I wouldn't drive something dull as dishwater to make that once a month instead (800 mile range vs my current 400 mile range).
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I can't help wondering, those who drive a juicy car and don't car about mpg, if they were going on a longish drive, (100 miles)... [snip]
I wonder more about the times they go to see an old friend or family whom live 250+ miles away. Too far to use anything but mainly very dull motorways and then a 100 odd quid bill to cough up for.. ouch!VeeFource said:
I wonder more about the times they go to see an old friend or family whom live 250+ miles away. Too far to use anything but mainly very dull motorways and then a 100 odd quid bill to cough up for.. ouch!
Most big engined petrol engines will still give reasonable MPG on a motorway run though, even my car will return 37mpg on a run and that's with a 5 speed box that sits at 3-3.5k RPM at 70mph...TwigtheWonderkid said:
I realise it's a daft question as it has far too many other variations, but for all the "I don't cares", they don't actually mention the hassle of filling up, queuing up to pay etc etc.
I don't understand the 'etc etc' in this bit, surely you've mentioned all the parts of filling up? I tend to go when there isn't queues, pay at pump, job done. Having a bike with a 150 mile range makes anything above that look relatively hassle-free. Not that I'd consider standing outside for 1 minute hassle, in the grand scheme. VeeFource said:
Your understandable buying logic (similar to mine) is a reflection of why I don't think high mileage tdi used prices will be as good as they used to be. Especially as the new breed of economical but pokey direct injection turbo petrols also become more affordable and what with being a far safer alternative. That said I have heard direct injection petrols ironically have issues with soot build up which is very difficult and therefore expensive to rectify.
No, i'm not expecting them to be "rock solid" going forward. VeeFource said:
Incidentally, are you planning on running your car into the ground? Because you'll almost certainly need a new DPF if nothing else. I'm not sure whether I'd sell mine at about 70k (and take the potential hit) or get it mildly remapped and at the same time have the EGR & DPF mapped out. My concern about the latter is firstly the cost, but secondly I've read modern turbos are designed to also be de-sooted along with the DPF to prevent blocking of the vanes etc as this then allows for a more efficient design for better airflow through the turbo.
Not sure. I would have no particular issues with removing the DPF (mot requirements permitting Edited by VeeFource on Monday 25th August 11:08
).I'm "hoping" that the current DPFs are better than the batches of early ones that are giving so much trouble in 06/07/08 that we're seeing now.
I'll review as i go along. Next review point is probably 100,000 miles for me and thats probably 3 years away. I'll make a call then as to whether to drive on, and into the ground, or rinse and repeat.
No reason why a car cant do 250k miles easily but i'll take a view on what problems i hit between now and 100K. A friend in work has just hit that in his 09 passat and has had two significant diesel related failures that have cost him around £700 but have involved a £400 contribution from VW too, so thats quite a lot
sparks_E39 said:
ezi said:
Most big engined petrol engines will still give reasonable MPG on a motorway run though, even my car will return 37mpg on a run and that's with a 5 speed box that sits at 3-3.5k RPM at 70mph...
Yeah, my 530i will return upwards of 35 mpg on a long run if I take it easy. VeeFource said:
sparks_E39 said:
ezi said:
Most big engined petrol engines will still give reasonable MPG on a motorway run though, even my car will return 37mpg on a run and that's with a 5 speed box that sits at 3-3.5k RPM at 70mph...
Yeah, my 530i will return upwards of 35 mpg on a long run if I take it easy. As a daily driver I'd be extremely reluctant to go under 40mpg, just for cost reasons. The reality is, for commuting here in the south-east there is simply no point in having anything with much power. I think my current car gets the balance pretty spot-on, 180bhp but an average calculated mpg of 42. That's probably the most balanced towards performance I'd want to go realistically.
sparks_E39 said:
ezi said:
Most big engined petrol engines will still give reasonable MPG on a motorway run though, even my car will return 37mpg on a run and that's with a 5 speed box that sits at 3-3.5k RPM at 70mph...
Yeah, my 530i will return upwards of 35 mpg on a long run if I take it easy. I can get north of 90mpg if i drive very carefully. Best so far 98.5mpg.
Average over a tank over this last year brim to brim - 67mpg. Best over a tank brim to brim 70.05mpg.
As usual there are stupid claims of diesels doing 70-80mpg. Snore, I just don't believe your diesel 5 series does that as one poster has said.
I do a 80 mile round trip commute. I drive every second day. I used to drive a diesel (2L tdi) I averaged about 38, I changed becuase I got bored. My petrol turbo now averages about 35mpg.
I am lucky though, as when it is nice and dry I thrash my car every day to work and back, nice scottish A-roads and not too much traffic.
When using the performance of any car the mpg dramatically decreases, especially modern turbo petrols and diesels (hence MY averages).
On a good run my diesel leon could average 50mpg, the Fiesta ST can do about 47mpg in the same circumastances.
For new modern cars I see no reason to buy a diesel at all. To many fake claims on here of 70mpg+ averages from BMW 2L diesels etc and I just don't believe it. The only way possible I could get over 50mpg in my diesel was to use NON of the performance available all of the time. So anyone on here proclaiming these outrageous tank average mpg figures AND stating how quick or torquey there car is they are deluded as you just can't have both.
I do a 80 mile round trip commute. I drive every second day. I used to drive a diesel (2L tdi) I averaged about 38, I changed becuase I got bored. My petrol turbo now averages about 35mpg.
I am lucky though, as when it is nice and dry I thrash my car every day to work and back, nice scottish A-roads and not too much traffic.
When using the performance of any car the mpg dramatically decreases, especially modern turbo petrols and diesels (hence MY averages).
On a good run my diesel leon could average 50mpg, the Fiesta ST can do about 47mpg in the same circumastances.
For new modern cars I see no reason to buy a diesel at all. To many fake claims on here of 70mpg+ averages from BMW 2L diesels etc and I just don't believe it. The only way possible I could get over 50mpg in my diesel was to use NON of the performance available all of the time. So anyone on here proclaiming these outrageous tank average mpg figures AND stating how quick or torquey there car is they are deluded as you just can't have both.
ORD said:
I regularly do a 100 mile journey in a fast car and a slow car (pretty much alternating). Over that distance, the fast car is 15 mins quicker so could easily fit in a fuel stop and still turn up earlier. If I took a liberal approach to speed limits, I imagine that the difference would be more like 30 mins.
I think this filling up thing is massively overstated on PH. I hate filling up as much as anyone, but its 5 mins once every couple of weeks! I wouldn't drive something dull as dishwater to make that once a month instead (800 mile range vs my current 400 mile range).
I love filling up, I love the Petrol fumes. Simply as that. I think this filling up thing is massively overstated on PH. I hate filling up as much as anyone, but its 5 mins once every couple of weeks! I wouldn't drive something dull as dishwater to make that once a month instead (800 mile range vs my current 400 mile range).
Like you said though it is laughable when people use the 'I have to stop for fill ups less' as an argument for why there car is better as it goes further to a tank.
neil1jnr said:
As usual there are stupid claims of diesels doing 70-80mpg. Snore, I just don't believe your diesel 5 series does that as one poster has said.
I do a 80 mile round trip commute. I drive every second day. I used to drive a diesel (2L tdi) I averaged about 38, I changed becuase I got bored. My petrol turbo now averages about 35mpg.
I am lucky though, as when it is nice and dry I thrash my car every day to work and back, nice scottish A-roads and not too much traffic.
When using the performance of any car the mpg dramatically decreases, especially modern turbo petrols and diesels (hence MY averages).
On a good run my diesel leon could average 50mpg, the Fiesta ST can do about 47mpg in the same circumastances.
For new modern cars I see no reason to buy a diesel at all. To many fake claims on here of 70mpg+ averages from BMW 2L diesels etc and I just don't believe it. The only way possible I could get over 50mpg in my diesel was to use NON of the performance available all of the time. So anyone on here proclaiming these outrageous tank average mpg figures AND stating how quick or torquey there car is they are deluded as you just can't have both.
I can believe that a 320d ED might get 60-70mpg on a long, slow motorway cruise.I do a 80 mile round trip commute. I drive every second day. I used to drive a diesel (2L tdi) I averaged about 38, I changed becuase I got bored. My petrol turbo now averages about 35mpg.
I am lucky though, as when it is nice and dry I thrash my car every day to work and back, nice scottish A-roads and not too much traffic.
When using the performance of any car the mpg dramatically decreases, especially modern turbo petrols and diesels (hence MY averages).
On a good run my diesel leon could average 50mpg, the Fiesta ST can do about 47mpg in the same circumastances.
For new modern cars I see no reason to buy a diesel at all. To many fake claims on here of 70mpg+ averages from BMW 2L diesels etc and I just don't believe it. The only way possible I could get over 50mpg in my diesel was to use NON of the performance available all of the time. So anyone on here proclaiming these outrageous tank average mpg figures AND stating how quick or torquey there car is they are deluded as you just can't have both.
Along a route I know well, and driven (so far as it allows) as I would drive my cars, a 320d ED hire car got 56mpg, which is a pretty big jump over the equivalent figures for my Cayman S (mid 30s) and small petrol cars (mid 40s) on the same route. That said, the BMW probably cost me 10 minutes in missed overtakes, and I would pay an extra few quid to get past dawdlers. A damn impressive engine, though, in terms of the mix of power and efficiency. Sounds like a tractor, mind, which grates a bit.
There is no denying that a lot of modern diesels get very good mpg. Nothin close to the claims, of course, but they are no different from turbo petrol cars in that regard!
neil1jnr said:
I love filling up, I love the Petrol fumes. Simply as that.
Like you said though it is laughable when people use the 'I have to stop for fill ups less' as an argument for why there car is better as it goes further to a tank.
This.Like you said though it is laughable when people use the 'I have to stop for fill ups less' as an argument for why there car is better as it goes further to a tank.
Always makes me chuckle when people use that argument, Who actually cares?
Don't worry they will start brandishing torque figures soon.
neil1jnr said:
As usual there are stupid claims of diesels doing 70-80mpg. Snore, I just don't believe your diesel 5 series does that as one poster has said.
I do a 80 mile round trip commute. I drive every second day. I used to drive a diesel (2L tdi) I averaged about 38, I changed becuase I got bored. My petrol turbo now averages about 35mpg.
I am lucky though, as when it is nice and dry I thrash my car every day to work and back, nice scottish A-roads and not too much traffic.
When using the performance of any car the mpg dramatically decreases, especially modern turbo petrols and diesels (hence MY averages).
On a good run my diesel leon could average 50mpg, the Fiesta ST can do about 47mpg in the same circumastances.
For new modern cars I see no reason to buy a diesel at all. To many fake claims on here of 70mpg+ averages from BMW 2L diesels etc and I just don't believe it. The only way possible I could get over 50mpg in my diesel was to use NON of the performance available all of the time. So anyone on here proclaiming these outrageous tank average mpg figures AND stating how quick or torquey there car is they are deluded as you just can't have both.
Was your diesel not the older PD engine? Petrol efficiency's really come on in the last 5 years, but then diesel seems to have gotten better too. I'm really not exaggerating or even trying with my 2.0 tdi to get those figures, it is slightly stripped out and weighs <1200kgs but that shouldn't effect my cruising consumption. If anything higher speeds will be slightly worse due to the car sitting higherI do a 80 mile round trip commute. I drive every second day. I used to drive a diesel (2L tdi) I averaged about 38, I changed becuase I got bored. My petrol turbo now averages about 35mpg.
I am lucky though, as when it is nice and dry I thrash my car every day to work and back, nice scottish A-roads and not too much traffic.
When using the performance of any car the mpg dramatically decreases, especially modern turbo petrols and diesels (hence MY averages).
On a good run my diesel leon could average 50mpg, the Fiesta ST can do about 47mpg in the same circumastances.
For new modern cars I see no reason to buy a diesel at all. To many fake claims on here of 70mpg+ averages from BMW 2L diesels etc and I just don't believe it. The only way possible I could get over 50mpg in my diesel was to use NON of the performance available all of the time. So anyone on here proclaiming these outrageous tank average mpg figures AND stating how quick or torquey there car is they are deluded as you just can't have both.
VeeFource said:
Being a tdi owner myself I wonder about this given DPF/EGR worries of high mileage cars of this type. I console myself by thinking your average Joe won't be as aware of this as your typical PHer but it still remains to be seen. Anyone who buys a recentish tdi privately with approaching 100k on the clock is a bit of a gambler in my book
I was at BCA this morning and the high mileage Mk5 TDIs were making silly money. A tidy looking 2.0 FSI (petrol) on an 04-plate with 90k miles made £1250, it was followed almost straight away by a same spec but higher mileage 1.9 TDI for nearly double that price. A bit later on an abused looking 07-plate 2.0 TDI with 120k came through and went for well over £4k. Attracted loads of bids, people seem to love them! neil1jnr said:
As usual there are stupid claims of diesels doing 70-80mpg. Snore, I just don't believe your diesel 5 series does that as one poster has said.
I do a 80 mile round trip commute. I drive every second day. I used to drive a diesel (2L tdi) I averaged about 38, I changed becuase I got bored. My petrol turbo now averages about 35mpg.
I am lucky though, as when it is nice and dry I thrash my car every day to work and back, nice scottish A-roads and not too much traffic.
When using the performance of any car the mpg dramatically decreases, especially modern turbo petrols and diesels (hence MY averages).
On a good run my diesel leon could average 50mpg, the Fiesta ST can do about 47mpg in the same circumastances.
For new modern cars I see no reason to buy a diesel at all. To many fake claims on here of 70mpg+ averages from BMW 2L diesels etc and I just don't believe it. The only way possible I could get over 50mpg in my diesel was to use NON of the performance available all of the time. So anyone on here proclaiming these outrageous tank average mpg figures AND stating how quick or torquey there car is they are deluded as you just can't have both.
Heres my fuel calcs, brim to brim over last yearI do a 80 mile round trip commute. I drive every second day. I used to drive a diesel (2L tdi) I averaged about 38, I changed becuase I got bored. My petrol turbo now averages about 35mpg.
I am lucky though, as when it is nice and dry I thrash my car every day to work and back, nice scottish A-roads and not too much traffic.
When using the performance of any car the mpg dramatically decreases, especially modern turbo petrols and diesels (hence MY averages).
On a good run my diesel leon could average 50mpg, the Fiesta ST can do about 47mpg in the same circumastances.
For new modern cars I see no reason to buy a diesel at all. To many fake claims on here of 70mpg+ averages from BMW 2L diesels etc and I just don't believe it. The only way possible I could get over 50mpg in my diesel was to use NON of the performance available all of the time. So anyone on here proclaiming these outrageous tank average mpg figures AND stating how quick or torquey there car is they are deluded as you just can't have both.
Heres my "best" journey to work over 39 miles
Granted, mines a 1.6TDI and thus is no ball of fire.
I would say i could get 58-60mpg out of a 140 or 170bhp 2.0 diesel, but not if you're using the power, as you've said.
va1o said:
VeeFource said:
Being a tdi owner myself I wonder about this given DPF/EGR worries of high mileage cars of this type. I console myself by thinking your average Joe won't be as aware of this as your typical PHer but it still remains to be seen. Anyone who buys a recentish tdi privately with approaching 100k on the clock is a bit of a gambler in my book
I was at BCA this morning and the high mileage Mk5 TDIs were making silly money. A tidy looking 2.0 FSI (petrol) on an 04-plate with 90k miles made £1250, it was followed almost straight away by a same spec but higher mileage 1.9 TDI for nearly double that price. A bit later on an abused looking 07-plate 2.0 TDI with 120k came through and went for well over £4k. Attracted loads of bids, people seem to love them! Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff