RE: Bugatti Veyron (price) crash
Discussion
Lowtimer said:
CraigyMc said:
I hate to piss in your cereal, but how would you cool it?
The most powerful Phaeton has 450bhp. You're going to need space for another 550bhp of radiator...
Oh, I'd get round that by cheating. You only need cooling capable of shedding more than 450 hp worth of waste heat if you intend to use more than 450 bhp continuously, i.e. the Veyron's 240-250 mph top speed runs. If I restrict myself to, say, 170 mph in a Phaeton (which seems terrifying enough, especially given the readily available tyres) that's only about 350 hp continuous power.The most powerful Phaeton has 450bhp. You're going to need space for another 550bhp of radiator...
So why bother? For short bursts. Even with limited cooling you could use full chat briefly for overtaking. Realistically I can't imagine using full thrust of 1000 hp in a Volkswagen saloon on public roads for more than three seconds at a time. Even 3 seconds at a time is enough to punch you quite cheerfully from 30-90 (a handy bit of A-road overtaking) or 70-120 on the motorway. Which would be suitably hilarious.
Around town it would only have similar cooling needs to the standard W12, it's not actually burning any more fuel than the standard car in the idle - 40 mph range.
My take would be this:
Dry ice.
Getting the running parts out and into another body or onto another chassis is one thing. Getting them to work at all and then in a balanced or predictable way is a completely different story. The years of extensive development that went into the Bug mean it will be more like a pig, in any other guise.
I also imagine repairs to this level are strictly back to the factory and they must have been contacted for a price estimate if nothing else - hence it's a right-off. I just can't seen anyone repairing this outside of the very small Bugatti network and you aren't going to get parts from anywhere else, so they will know who has the vehicle and how much it should cost to do right. I also reckon you would struggle to re-insure it afterwards without a fully qualified Bugatti approved bodyshop doing the repairs as like the Gas Monkey F40, Ferrari (and the relevant motor authority) won't let it go back on the road unless it goes through official channels.
As for spares, are Bugatti going to be happy to endorse any vehicle running around with second-hand bits on? What if it's components were in another totaled car and there was a serious injury or worse? It will always show a Cat B or C history and I can't see anyone wanting anything much to do with it in the future - a real dilemma this one.
Anyway, if you want to see what event trashed it in the first place, here you go:
http://www.wreckedexotics.com/bugatti/veyron
I also imagine repairs to this level are strictly back to the factory and they must have been contacted for a price estimate if nothing else - hence it's a right-off. I just can't seen anyone repairing this outside of the very small Bugatti network and you aren't going to get parts from anywhere else, so they will know who has the vehicle and how much it should cost to do right. I also reckon you would struggle to re-insure it afterwards without a fully qualified Bugatti approved bodyshop doing the repairs as like the Gas Monkey F40, Ferrari (and the relevant motor authority) won't let it go back on the road unless it goes through official channels.
As for spares, are Bugatti going to be happy to endorse any vehicle running around with second-hand bits on? What if it's components were in another totaled car and there was a serious injury or worse? It will always show a Cat B or C history and I can't see anyone wanting anything much to do with it in the future - a real dilemma this one.
Anyway, if you want to see what event trashed it in the first place, here you go:
http://www.wreckedexotics.com/bugatti/veyron
Edited by cookie1600 on Tuesday 26th August 16:39
Birzzles said:
Now that we have LaFerrari and the various porsche and mclaren hybrid cars, which are faster and more efficient than the Veyron, doesnt this seems like a bit of a dinousaur. How can a Veyron be considered a classic car, when it is just the old fashioned idea of putting a massive thirsty engine in, with the modern enhancement that it doesnt take off when it reaches 200?
It doesn't seem like a dinosaur at all. Its still a hell of a lot faster than any of the new hypercars. With regards to top end anyway. And efficiency seems somewhat irrelevant at this scale of things. Some of the new cars are very exciting, but I wonder what they would have been like if they didn't have the lawnmower battery and engine in them.
ukaskew said:
I'm guessing you're well over 500kg with the engine and gearbox alone, start adding radiators, then more radiators, then make it safe to have a half-ton engine behind your head, and you will have to go some to keep the complete car under 1200kg
Alright 1350kg that's my final offer. To be mega pedantic here's the list according to google:3 in the water to air intercoolers.
3 for the engine coolant.
1 for the air conditioning refrigerant.
1 for the transmission oil.
1 for the differential oil.
1 for the engine oil.
It's never going to happen but it's fun to dream.
paranoid airbag said:
I'm pretty certain a reliable 1000bhp out of a boosted LSx isn't that hard these days, probably a lighter engine too. Which means less reinforcement...
Also not sure how much I'd trust the repairs either. All in all does seem overvalued.
I know if you're a billionaire you can buy whatever hypercar you fancy, but the car would be completely unique.Also not sure how much I'd trust the repairs either. All in all does seem overvalued.
Billionaires seem to like spending millions to make or buy something unique. I mean a guy in Singapore paid £1.5 million for a 'touring' coachbuilt 8c he's never even going to drive!
Also some have paid a million dollars for a heavily modified Exige with a new powertrain in it aka a Venom GT.
It's another world the top 1% inhabit, and I'm sure somebody could do it.
They won't though because it will probably get bought for parts or repaired.
t and challenged him to the custard test?Dale487 said:
How about a Veyron powered power boat?
& use the wheels & seats etc for an OE+ Golf or A3?
^^^This man wins! Boat would have plenty of room for as many radiators as you'd need, plus, could pull water directly from the sea/ocean/Lake Como for cooling, just as most powerboats do. & use the wheels & seats etc for an OE+ Golf or A3?
I also wouldn't surprise me to see Veyron wheels on a V-dub (actually I'd be surprised if it hadn't been done before), as I've seen Lambo and Bentley wheels on Passats/Jettas/Golfs for years.
My idea was to put the engine in a hot rod for ultimate overkill factor. Since most hot rods don't have hood/bonnets, there would be a lot more air-cooling going on, plus, as a poster mentioned above, all the radiators in the Veyron were necessary for top speed runs; in a lightweight, skinny-tired 1930's hot rod, you wouldn't (and couldn't) use all that power.
After all, a friend of mine built a '32 "Deuce" roadster hot rod powered by a turbine engine from a Bell UH-1 "Huey" helicopter! He was at someone's garage sale, and the guy had three turbines and my buddy said, "what the Hell, I'll find something to do with them", and bought them right on the spot! He also has a TestaRossa with custom headers, a few rare Corvettes, and a number of WWII trucks, one with the quad "Ma-Deuce" .50 cal turret used as anti-aircraft guns. Basically, a typical American!
Silent1 said:
Malachimon said:
Still don't know why you'd spend over 500k on a car that in my eye is ugly. 100k gets you a well sorted E type that's much prettier
it's good we're all different then isn't it!Birzzles said:
Now that we have LaFerrari and the various porsche and mclaren hybrid cars, which are faster and more efficient than the Veyron, doesnt this seems like a bit of a dinousaur. How can a Veyron be considered a classic car, when it is just the old fashioned idea of putting a massive thirsty engine in, with the modern enhancement that it doesnt take off when it reaches 200?
What a stupid comment. I can't bring myself to write more than that. Stupid. Amirhussain said:
Silent1 said:
Malachimon said:
Still don't know why you'd spend over 500k on a car that in my eye is ugly. 100k gets you a well sorted E type that's much prettier
it's good we're all different then isn't it!It's a bit like saying Jimi Hendrix was the best guitarist ever. He was certainly among the best and his legend is rightly deserved, but it would be folly to say he was the best when you also had guys like Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Johnny Winter, Rory Gallagher, Carlos Santana, Gary Moore, Duane Allman, David Gilmour, Avin Lee, etc, etc.
That said, if the apocryphal legend is true about Enzo Ferrari saying the E-type is the most beautiful car, that's one Hell of an endorsement, considering Enzo's infamous ego.
Amirhussain said:
Am I the only one who doesn't understand the hype over the looks of the E type. not calling it ugly, but not pretty either.
It's never done much for me TBH, yet the XJS is one of my favouritesbobberz said:
It's a bit like saying Jimi Hendrix was the best guitarist ever. He was certainly among the best and his legend is rightly deserved, but it would be folly to say he was the best when you also had guys like Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Johnny Winter, Rory Gallagher, Carlos Santana, Gary Moore, Duane Allman, David Gilmour, Avin Lee, etc, etc.
That said, if the apocryphal legend is true about Enzo Ferrari saying the E-type is the most beautiful car, that's one Hell of an endorsement, considering Enzo's infamous ego.
A bit like the (supposedly true) response by Hendrix when questioned what it felt like to be the greatest guitarist in the world: "I don't know, ask Rory Gallagher" That said, if the apocryphal legend is true about Enzo Ferrari saying the E-type is the most beautiful car, that's one Hell of an endorsement, considering Enzo's infamous ego.
In saying that, I prefer listening to Clapton over anyone else in that list, so he's the greatest to my ears
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