RE: Lamborghini Murcielago: PH Heroes
Discussion
Tuvra said:
Gorbyrev said:
Does look rather lovely but it is minus it's door mirrors. Unless they are in the boot, that is £28,000 at Graypaul right there (if my evo fast fleet memory serves me right)! Defenitely not for the light in wallet.
If that's true, that is absolutely ridiculous 
Even if it was in my garage following a £40m+ Lottery win I wouldn't pay that. No way, never!
broadside said:
After much contemplation I came to the conclusion that the Lamborghini was just too competent at what it did. It could corner as if on rails, accelerated at a stupid rate of knots and was incredibly stable at high speeds........and that's why I think I came away feeling numb from the experience. I did not feel part of the car, I wasn't involved, I did not think for a moment that it would spit me off the track exiting a corner under power, it wasn't scary enough or challenging enough to drive to make me respect it.........the Lambo was just too well engineered and competent, it was too German and had had its Italianess engineered out. It did not feel special once in the drivers seat.
Are you absolutely sure it was a Murcielago and not a Gallardo? Genuine question because you've described exactly how I felt in a Gallardo and I wouldn't of expected, or more accurately hoped, a Murcielago would feel the same.Maybe we should go halves on a Diablo GT?
Soov535 said:
Nice colour. Looks just like... oh hang on...Agent Orange said:
broadside said:
After much contemplation I came to the conclusion that the Lamborghini was just too competent at what it did. It could corner as if on rails, accelerated at a stupid rate of knots and was incredibly stable at high speeds........and that's why I think I came away feeling numb from the experience. I did not feel part of the car, I wasn't involved, I did not think for a moment that it would spit me off the track exiting a corner under power, it wasn't scary enough or challenging enough to drive to make me respect it.........the Lambo was just too well engineered and competent, it was too German and had had its Italianess engineered out. It did not feel special once in the drivers seat.
Are you absolutely sure it was a Murcielago and not a Gallardo? Genuine question because you've described exactly how I felt in a Gallardo and I wouldn't of expected, or more accurately hoped, a Murcielago would feel the same.Maybe we should go halves on a Diablo GT?
Soov535 said:
Nice colour. Looks just like... oh hang on...
A great article and following comments.
QUOTE broadside
"Imagine my huge disappointment at the end of the drive. I'd driven it for a few laps and had given it plenty of beans down the straights and through most of the corners when the opportunity arose. I'd spent the first lap or so getting the feel of the car and pushed on. I was hitting over 150mph on the longest of the straights........and yet it felt dead......it didn't feel like it had any character to me. I have thought long and hard about my feelings on this car and still can't get to grips with why I disliked it so much, even six plus years after I drove it."
If you are on a track, then yes I could possibly agree, but you just need to push more towards the limit....It would have either rewarded you or tried to kill you.
QUOTE broadside
"I could only compare it against the car I had most experience of at the time which was my TVR 450SE. The TVR had bags of chactacter, was loud, was quick, but no where near Lamborghini quick and every drive was an event."
Agreed, Loved my griff.
QUOTE broadside
"After much contemplation I came to the conclusion that the Lamborghini was just too competent at what it did. It could corner as if on rails, accelerated at a stupid rate of knots and was incredibly stable at high speeds........and that's why I think I came away feeling numb from the experience. I did not feel part of the car, I wasn't involved, I did not think for a moment that it would spit me off the track exiting a corner under power, it wasn't scary enough or challenging enough to drive to make me respect it.........the Lambo was just too well engineered and competent, it was too German and had had its Italianess engineered out. It did not feel special once in the drivers seat."
The german influence means it works! Again, see above. You just need to drive harder and faster for it to feel on the edge, then the only problem is you are at silly speeds so if it did go wrong, it would go wrong big time. It needs full concentration all the time otherwise it will try to kill you.....unless you are an F1 driver!!!
QUOTE broadside
"My mate and a guy that was in my group of three on the day came to the same conclusion as well. Out of the three cars we each drove that day the Aston V8 Vantage was on the top of the list with the Murcialago and Ferrari in joint 2nd."
I would put the Aston above the fezza, but the lambo would have come first....I'm slightly biased obviously
Quote broadside
"My point of view may seem weird to most, but if I were able to spend a lot of money on a car it would not be on this one. If I was was offered one for free of course I'd have it but I'd probably sell it soon afterwards, buy my old TVR back and move to a bigger house!"
Each to their own, thats what creates markets. I still miss my TVR tbh, but wouldn't let the lambo go to have it back.
QUOTE broadside
"Imagine my huge disappointment at the end of the drive. I'd driven it for a few laps and had given it plenty of beans down the straights and through most of the corners when the opportunity arose. I'd spent the first lap or so getting the feel of the car and pushed on. I was hitting over 150mph on the longest of the straights........and yet it felt dead......it didn't feel like it had any character to me. I have thought long and hard about my feelings on this car and still can't get to grips with why I disliked it so much, even six plus years after I drove it."
If you are on a track, then yes I could possibly agree, but you just need to push more towards the limit....It would have either rewarded you or tried to kill you.
QUOTE broadside
"I could only compare it against the car I had most experience of at the time which was my TVR 450SE. The TVR had bags of chactacter, was loud, was quick, but no where near Lamborghini quick and every drive was an event."
Agreed, Loved my griff.
QUOTE broadside
"After much contemplation I came to the conclusion that the Lamborghini was just too competent at what it did. It could corner as if on rails, accelerated at a stupid rate of knots and was incredibly stable at high speeds........and that's why I think I came away feeling numb from the experience. I did not feel part of the car, I wasn't involved, I did not think for a moment that it would spit me off the track exiting a corner under power, it wasn't scary enough or challenging enough to drive to make me respect it.........the Lambo was just too well engineered and competent, it was too German and had had its Italianess engineered out. It did not feel special once in the drivers seat."
The german influence means it works! Again, see above. You just need to drive harder and faster for it to feel on the edge, then the only problem is you are at silly speeds so if it did go wrong, it would go wrong big time. It needs full concentration all the time otherwise it will try to kill you.....unless you are an F1 driver!!!
QUOTE broadside
"My mate and a guy that was in my group of three on the day came to the same conclusion as well. Out of the three cars we each drove that day the Aston V8 Vantage was on the top of the list with the Murcialago and Ferrari in joint 2nd."
I would put the Aston above the fezza, but the lambo would have come first....I'm slightly biased obviously
Quote broadside
"My point of view may seem weird to most, but if I were able to spend a lot of money on a car it would not be on this one. If I was was offered one for free of course I'd have it but I'd probably sell it soon afterwards, buy my old TVR back and move to a bigger house!"
Each to their own, thats what creates markets. I still miss my TVR tbh, but wouldn't let the lambo go to have it back.
Soov535 said:
Thermonuclear said:
stain said:
That car has been for sale for ages. Is it the colour or the manual gearbox putting people off?
A genuine front pu on one of these is 18k. Looking at it, it hasn't got the original front pu so could indicate something else.....New front PU you say?
Has anyone checked out this LP640 for real? It seems very fairly priced to me,
RedBull said:
Tuvra said:
Gorbyrev said:
Does look rather lovely but it is minus it's door mirrors. Unless they are in the boot, that is £28,000 at Graypaul right there (if my evo fast fleet memory serves me right)! Defenitely not for the light in wallet.
If that's true, that is absolutely ridiculous Even if it was in my garage following a £40m+ Lottery win I wouldn't pay that. No way, never!
A mere £1400 a side 
Agent Orange said:
Nice colour. Looks just like... oh hang on...
Definitely a Murcialago. The thing was huge and I'm not a fan of the Gallardo's proportions. I'm really glad I drove it though, it's just that the feeling I got when getting out of the car and walking away from it, looking over my shoulder wasn't quite what I thought I should be feeling. As you can probably work out from my post I still feel disappointed in my disappointment!Reeso said:
A great article and following comments.
QUOTE broadside
"Imagine my huge disappointment at the end of the drive. I'd driven it for a few laps and had given it plenty of beans down the straights and through most of the corners when the opportunity arose. I'd spent the first lap or so getting the feel of the car and pushed on. I was hitting over 150mph on the longest of the straights........and yet it felt dead......it didn't feel like it had any character to me. I have thought long and hard about my feelings on this car and still can't get to grips with why I disliked it so much, even six plus years after I drove it."
If you are on a track, then yes I could possibly agree, but you just need to push more towards the limit....It would have either rewarded you or tried to kill you.
QUOTE broadside
"I could only compare it against the car I had most experience of at the time which was my TVR 450SE. The TVR had bags of chactacter, was loud, was quick, but no where near Lamborghini quick and every drive was an event."
Agreed, Loved my griff.
QUOTE broadside
"After much contemplation I came to the conclusion that the Lamborghini was just too competent at what it did. It could corner as if on rails, accelerated at a stupid rate of knots and was incredibly stable at high speeds........and that's why I think I came away feeling numb from the experience. I did not feel part of the car, I wasn't involved, I did not think for a moment that it would spit me off the track exiting a corner under power, it wasn't scary enough or challenging enough to drive to make me respect it.........the Lambo was just too well engineered and competent, it was too German and had had its Italianess engineered out. It did not feel special once in the drivers seat."
The german influence means it works! Again, see above. You just need to drive harder and faster for it to feel on the edge, then the only problem is you are at silly speeds so if it did go wrong, it would go wrong big time. It needs full concentration all the time otherwise it will try to kill you.....unless you are an F1 driver!!!
QUOTE broadside
"My mate and a guy that was in my group of three on the day came to the same conclusion as well. Out of the three cars we each drove that day the Aston V8 Vantage was on the top of the list with the Murcialago and Ferrari in joint 2nd."
I would put the Aston above the fezza, but the lambo would have come first....I'm slightly biased obviously
Quote broadside
"My point of view may seem weird to most, but if I were able to spend a lot of money on a car it would not be on this one. If I was was offered one for free of course I'd have it but I'd probably sell it soon afterwards, buy my old TVR back and move to a bigger house!"
Each to their own, thats what creates markets. I still miss my TVR tbh, but wouldn't let the lambo go to have it back.
I agree completely with your comments about my comments. It's all about horses for courses ( or Bulls for a Lamborghini).QUOTE broadside
"Imagine my huge disappointment at the end of the drive. I'd driven it for a few laps and had given it plenty of beans down the straights and through most of the corners when the opportunity arose. I'd spent the first lap or so getting the feel of the car and pushed on. I was hitting over 150mph on the longest of the straights........and yet it felt dead......it didn't feel like it had any character to me. I have thought long and hard about my feelings on this car and still can't get to grips with why I disliked it so much, even six plus years after I drove it."
If you are on a track, then yes I could possibly agree, but you just need to push more towards the limit....It would have either rewarded you or tried to kill you.
QUOTE broadside
"I could only compare it against the car I had most experience of at the time which was my TVR 450SE. The TVR had bags of chactacter, was loud, was quick, but no where near Lamborghini quick and every drive was an event."
Agreed, Loved my griff.
QUOTE broadside
"After much contemplation I came to the conclusion that the Lamborghini was just too competent at what it did. It could corner as if on rails, accelerated at a stupid rate of knots and was incredibly stable at high speeds........and that's why I think I came away feeling numb from the experience. I did not feel part of the car, I wasn't involved, I did not think for a moment that it would spit me off the track exiting a corner under power, it wasn't scary enough or challenging enough to drive to make me respect it.........the Lambo was just too well engineered and competent, it was too German and had had its Italianess engineered out. It did not feel special once in the drivers seat."
The german influence means it works! Again, see above. You just need to drive harder and faster for it to feel on the edge, then the only problem is you are at silly speeds so if it did go wrong, it would go wrong big time. It needs full concentration all the time otherwise it will try to kill you.....unless you are an F1 driver!!!
QUOTE broadside
"My mate and a guy that was in my group of three on the day came to the same conclusion as well. Out of the three cars we each drove that day the Aston V8 Vantage was on the top of the list with the Murcialago and Ferrari in joint 2nd."
I would put the Aston above the fezza, but the lambo would have come first....I'm slightly biased obviously
Quote broadside
"My point of view may seem weird to most, but if I were able to spend a lot of money on a car it would not be on this one. If I was was offered one for free of course I'd have it but I'd probably sell it soon afterwards, buy my old TVR back and move to a bigger house!"
Each to their own, thats what creates markets. I still miss my TVR tbh, but wouldn't let the lambo go to have it back.
I think your comments about it being on track are completely valid. After all, the track is where you can probably enjoy it most apart from an Autobahn legally and as you said, if I were to push the car towards its limits to bring out its character I probably would reach the limits of my driving talent before then and still not be able to feel any different than I already do about it.
I think that if you were driving it on the road it would be more frustrating as the car only becomes a posing mobile as there's not a lot else for it to do. This type of car needs to be driven hard along a twisty country road where it would more likely come alive rather than be averaging 12 mph in Central London whereby they are just simply caged beasts.
The other thing I'd like to mention is that I was driven around the same track by a pro driver as a fast lap experience on the same day as part of the package. This was done in a Subaru Impreza which at the time was when the new hatch back version had recently been launched. I enjoyed the fast lap more than the Lamborghini drive as an Impreza driven at 9/10ths was more thrilling than driving a Lamborghini at 6/10ths. There is no comparison between the two performance wise and yet the car that cost next to nothing compared to the Lamborghini was the most enjoyable and memorable for the right reasons.
I think that the core of what I'm trying to say is that the Lamborghini has to be so competent at everything it does and at up to three times the legal speed limit that in the real world in real traffic and everyday situations it's not allowed to show what it can do apart from be a mobile piece of art. I reckon that given the above everyday criteria, a Toyota GT86 would give you more satisfaction to drive than the Lambo would.
Gorbyrev said:
Quite right RedBull. Will do my homework next time. A mere £1400 a side
There's no other way to say it so I'll just come out with it: You're wrong again A mere £1400 a side 
I said £2838 each, then of course they'd need painting etc., so very stupid money indeed, but not £28,000 and not £1400 a side.
I'll give you a C+, must try harder
broadside said:
Definitely a Murcialago. The thing was huge and I'm not a fan of the Gallardo's proportions. I'm really glad I drove it though, it's just that the feeling I got when getting out of the car and walking away from it, looking over my shoulder wasn't quite what I thought I should be feeling. As you can probably work out from my post I still feel disappointed in my disappointment!
That's a shame and exactly how I felt with the Gallardo. I got out and felt empty and I didn't even bother looking back and it and just walked to my car and drove home.http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=1&a...
Despite your experience I will have to try a Murci at some point.
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