Bit confused about new UK road tax laws??
Discussion
Basically, my road tax doesn't expire until December 1st however the new "digital era" comes into play October 1st right? Now I understand when I renew my tax, I have to do it online which I normally do anyway and this registers me however, will I have to register on October 1st even though I have tax, or just when my tax expires? Sorry if I'm in the wrong section but this new law and potential £1000 fine got me a little worries as I assumed having no road tax still comes up on ANPR anyway and that if you have road tax, it's on the PNC. Thanks for help
The change is a great move
1. Save the DVLA (tax payer) money on stationary physical tax discs and the postage costs.
2. When you sell a car you only lose the balance on the current month to the new owner the remainder goes directly back to you from DVLA
3. No more haggling with a buyer on how much tax the car has as in effect every car will only ever come with up to 30 days of tax on it.
4. Uses technology to catch those who don't pay/removes the "oh I saw chap from number 3 looking at my car he must have shooed me in - let's sort him out" etc.
Bad move
1. Not everyone has the Internet at home so would have to go to the library
2. Older people may not use the Internet at all and accidentally think its taxes when not and then face fines
3. If Scotland leaves the UK they will have a different system
4. Why isn't this an EU wide scheme - allowing for different bindings relevant for each countries choice of taxing. It should be.
5. Annoying for those sad people like me who really like collecting all my old VED they will be missed
How will it impact SORN? Some classic car events for showing cars require you to show the Tax disc to help the organisers know if its tax free or not
Overall a superb move by the UK govt well done
Now hurry up with the V5 being all electronic too.
1. Save the DVLA (tax payer) money on stationary physical tax discs and the postage costs.
2. When you sell a car you only lose the balance on the current month to the new owner the remainder goes directly back to you from DVLA
3. No more haggling with a buyer on how much tax the car has as in effect every car will only ever come with up to 30 days of tax on it.
4. Uses technology to catch those who don't pay/removes the "oh I saw chap from number 3 looking at my car he must have shooed me in - let's sort him out" etc.
Bad move
1. Not everyone has the Internet at home so would have to go to the library
2. Older people may not use the Internet at all and accidentally think its taxes when not and then face fines
3. If Scotland leaves the UK they will have a different system
4. Why isn't this an EU wide scheme - allowing for different bindings relevant for each countries choice of taxing. It should be.
5. Annoying for those sad people like me who really like collecting all my old VED they will be missed
How will it impact SORN? Some classic car events for showing cars require you to show the Tax disc to help the organisers know if its tax free or not
Overall a superb move by the UK govt well done
Now hurry up with the V5 being all electronic too.
You can still get tax at the post office that hasn't changed.
Its a big fuss over nothing most people apart from not receiving a disc wont be effected. The bbc did its brilliant job at telling people about it on the breakfast show this morning not.
Just tax your car like you have always done but from the 1st October don't need to display the disc.
Its a big fuss over nothing most people apart from not receiving a disc wont be effected. The bbc did its brilliant job at telling people about it on the breakfast show this morning not.
Just tax your car like you have always done but from the 1st October don't need to display the disc.
Welshbeef said:
The change is a great move
1. Save the DVLA (tax payer) money on stationary physical tax discs and the postage costs.
2. When you sell a car you only lose the balance on the current month to the new owner the remainder goes directly back to you from DVLA
3. No more haggling with a buyer on how much tax the car has as in effect every car will only ever come with up to 30 days of tax on it.
4. Uses technology to catch those who don't pay/removes the "oh I saw chap from number 3 looking at my car he must have shooed me in - let's sort him out" etc.
Bad move
1. Not everyone has the Internet at home so would have to go to the library
2. Older people may not use the Internet at all and accidentally think its taxes when not and then face fines
3. If Scotland leaves the UK they will have a different system
4. Why isn't this an EU wide scheme - allowing for different bindings relevant for each countries choice of taxing. It should be.
5. Annoying for those sad people like me who really like collecting all my old VED they will be missed
How will it impact SORN? Some classic car events for showing cars require you to show the Tax disc to help the organisers know if its tax free or not
Overall a superb move by the UK govt well done
Now hurry up with the V5 being all electronic too.
And great for a certain community who like white transits1. Save the DVLA (tax payer) money on stationary physical tax discs and the postage costs.
2. When you sell a car you only lose the balance on the current month to the new owner the remainder goes directly back to you from DVLA
3. No more haggling with a buyer on how much tax the car has as in effect every car will only ever come with up to 30 days of tax on it.
4. Uses technology to catch those who don't pay/removes the "oh I saw chap from number 3 looking at my car he must have shooed me in - let's sort him out" etc.
Bad move
1. Not everyone has the Internet at home so would have to go to the library
2. Older people may not use the Internet at all and accidentally think its taxes when not and then face fines
3. If Scotland leaves the UK they will have a different system
4. Why isn't this an EU wide scheme - allowing for different bindings relevant for each countries choice of taxing. It should be.
5. Annoying for those sad people like me who really like collecting all my old VED they will be missed
How will it impact SORN? Some classic car events for showing cars require you to show the Tax disc to help the organisers know if its tax free or not
Overall a superb move by the UK govt well done
Now hurry up with the V5 being all electronic too.
Cloned plates anyone????
The only main difference with the new tax system is when you buy and sell a car. When a car is sold, the new owner will have to tax it and the previous owner will be refunded whole months duty automatically. You will also now get the option, for a premium, to pay your tax monthly by direct debit if you wish.
Everything else is as is, except you don't receive a disc or have to display it after 1st Oct
Everything else is as is, except you don't receive a disc or have to display it after 1st Oct
Surprised we've got this far without anyone pointing out the problem with making it impossible to transfer tax when selling a vehicle:
If I'm selling a car which I'm using daily, and a chap comes to get it on the 15th of September, I do not get a refund for any of September's tax, only any remaining full months. So I lose two weeks' tax.
As the tax cannot be transferred, the new owner must re-tax the car immediately. Apart from being bloody inconvenient, especially if the sale is not taking place at someone's house, it can still only be done in whole months so he must pay for all of September, again paying for two weeks' extra tax.
Tadaa.. The government gains a month's extra tax. Because the system is online and nearly instant, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever that tax could not be handled to the nearest day to avoid such an issue - except, of course, that it would reduce the cost and ballache to the motorist and therefore the profit to the system.
If I'm selling a car which I'm using daily, and a chap comes to get it on the 15th of September, I do not get a refund for any of September's tax, only any remaining full months. So I lose two weeks' tax.
As the tax cannot be transferred, the new owner must re-tax the car immediately. Apart from being bloody inconvenient, especially if the sale is not taking place at someone's house, it can still only be done in whole months so he must pay for all of September, again paying for two weeks' extra tax.
Tadaa.. The government gains a month's extra tax. Because the system is online and nearly instant, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever that tax could not be handled to the nearest day to avoid such an issue - except, of course, that it would reduce the cost and ballache to the motorist and therefore the profit to the system.
Welshbeef said:
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2. When you sell a car you only lose the balance on the current month to the new owner the remainder goes directly back to you from DVLA
3. No more haggling with a buyer on how much tax the car has as in effect every car will only ever come with up to 30 days of tax on it...
I thought that the moment you sold the car 'your' tax (VED) was invalid and the new owner had to re-tax the car? 2. When you sell a car you only lose the balance on the current month to the new owner the remainder goes directly back to you from DVLA
3. No more haggling with a buyer on how much tax the car has as in effect every car will only ever come with up to 30 days of tax on it...
Whilst I agree that doing away with the paper disc is good.
I think that not being able to sell a car with the remaining tax is just a money making exercise and will cause a lot of problems.
Since when was the tax disc (VED) assigned to the owner? It has the vehicle reg on it not the vehicle owners name!
- Oct 1st 2014 = Daily Mail reports on great new digital car taxdisc system coming into effect...
- Nov 1st 2014 = Daily Mail reports on new digital car taxdisc system spiralling into chaos with crashed computers...
- Dec 1st 2014 = Daily Mail reports on new digital car taxdisc system being scammed by genius crooks and hackers...
- Oct 1st 2015 = Daily Mail reports on new digital car taxdisc system being hit with unplanned spiralling IT costs...
lamboman100 said:
* Oct 1st 2014 = Daily Mail reports on great new digital car taxdisc system coming into effect...
Oct 1st 2016 - Daily Mail reports DVLA have come up with a new initiative of supplying a disc to display on the windscreen of the car and are going local by opening DVLA offices in major towns and cities. Head of DVLA is given a knighthood for coming up with such a revolutionary idea.- Nov 1st 2014 = Daily Mail reports on new digital car taxdisc system spiralling into chaos with crashed computers...
- Dec 1st 2014 = Daily Mail reports on new digital car taxdisc system being scammed by genius crooks and hackers...
- Oct 1st 2015 = Daily Mail reports on new digital car taxdisc system being hit with unplanned spiralling IT costs...
McSam said:
Because the system is online and nearly instant, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever that tax could not be handled to the nearest day to avoid such an issue - except, of course, that it would reduce the cost and ballache to the motorist and therefore the profit to the system.
Yes. If I could wake up one morning, see some lovely weather and then and there tax my 'summer' car for the day/ weekend/ week I might well do, instead of leaving it SORNed all winter. The Govt could scrounge a few more quid off me, but in a way in which is almost justified. But no.McSam said:
If I'm selling a car which I'm using daily, and a chap comes to get it on the 15th of September, I do not get a refund for any of September's tax, only any remaining full months. So I lose two weeks' tax.
As the tax cannot be transferred, the new owner must re-tax the car immediately. Apart from being bloody inconvenient, especially if the sale is not taking place at someone's house, it can still only be done in whole months so he must pay for all of September, again paying for two weeks' extra tax.
Tadaa.. The government gains a month's extra tax. Because the system is online and nearly instant, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever that tax could not be handled to the nearest day to avoid such an issue - except, of course, that it would reduce the cost and ballache to the motorist and therefore the profit to the system.
^^^ThisAs the tax cannot be transferred, the new owner must re-tax the car immediately. Apart from being bloody inconvenient, especially if the sale is not taking place at someone's house, it can still only be done in whole months so he must pay for all of September, again paying for two weeks' extra tax.
Tadaa.. The government gains a month's extra tax. Because the system is online and nearly instant, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever that tax could not be handled to the nearest day to avoid such an issue - except, of course, that it would reduce the cost and ballache to the motorist and therefore the profit to the system.
It's a complete con - if you buy / sell early in the month on a high tax car you are out almost £40 for precisely bugger all
How are Traders going to make it work - before people mention Trade Plates - take a look at when you can legally use them.
ocks - as others have posted upthread, there is no* reason 'road tax' can't be paid for on a daily basis from October 1st 2014...
idea, admittedly, in terms of maximising revenue for a(n-all-but-)bankrupt government 
!aw51 121565 said:
Owner? 
Registered Keeper *cough* 
Registered keeper. So when you post off the V5 the new keeper cannot be registered until it is received and the details entered on the database by the DVLA. Therefore you have a few days grace while the vehicle is taxed by the old owner before you are responsible. I think that's right Registered Keeper *cough* 
The system come oct 1st will offer no grace period officially. You'll be able to tax the vehicle on-line or by phone directly using information from the V5C or V5C/2 when sold.
When V5C's go online in a few months then you'll be able sort out change of ownership and taxation in a single transaction.
When V5C's go online in a few months then you'll be able sort out change of ownership and taxation in a single transaction.
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