Should we remove the age barrier for young drivers in case..
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AreOut said:
they drive only cars/bikes with full, not hackable telemetry? Why not allow anyone physically/mentally fit to drive if he would constantly get monitored with danger of losing the license if he ever does anything reckless (say >10-20 mph over the limit, abrupt moves etc.)?
Because taking a licence away from a 14 year old after he has smashed into a bus stop full of innocent bystanders is too late.We already give licences to people who are not really psychologically mature enough for the responsibility. We should not extend that.
(one of them nearly took the nose off my car this morning - I was doing a turn in the road and had reversed partly onto my driveway prior to driving away, still blocking half the road. He thought the best solution to this was not to pause and see what I was going to do, but to go round me like a pinball)
(one of them nearly took the nose off my car this morning - I was doing a turn in the road and had reversed partly onto my driveway prior to driving away, still blocking half the road. He thought the best solution to this was not to pause and see what I was going to do, but to go round me like a pinball)
otolith said:
We already give licences to people who are not really psychologically mature enough for the responsibility. We should not extend that.
(one of them nearly took the nose off my car this morning - I was doing a turn in the road and had reversed partly onto my driveway prior to driving away, still blocking half the road. He thought the best solution to this was not to pause and see what I was going to do, but to go round me like a pinball)
Lucky that your age and experience meant you expected that and acted accordingly...(one of them nearly took the nose off my car this morning - I was doing a turn in the road and had reversed partly onto my driveway prior to driving away, still blocking half the road. He thought the best solution to this was not to pause and see what I was going to do, but to go round me like a pinball)
tbox Clio than I do to insure my Lotus!No way.
Speaking as a 16 year old, I'd be terrified if people in my year group were given licences to drive a car.
They're bad enough in the classroom (their GCSE grades proved that) but I'd refuse to ever go within 200 miles of them if they were given a provisional.
Some people, even at 17 are just far too immature to be given the responsibility of driving a car, so imagine how much more worse it would be when you put a bunch of teenagers who think it's cool to jump out of their bedroom window and break a leg (that actually happened) in front of the wheel of a car.
Speaking as a 16 year old, I'd be terrified if people in my year group were given licences to drive a car.
They're bad enough in the classroom (their GCSE grades proved that) but I'd refuse to ever go within 200 miles of them if they were given a provisional.
Some people, even at 17 are just far too immature to be given the responsibility of driving a car, so imagine how much more worse it would be when you put a bunch of teenagers who think it's cool to jump out of their bedroom window and break a leg (that actually happened) in front of the wheel of a car.
AreOut said:
they drive only cars/bikes with full, not hackable telemetry? Why not allow anyone physically/mentally fit to drive if he would constantly get monitored with danger of losing the license if he ever does anything reckless (say >10-20 mph over the limit, abrupt moves etc.)?
The danger isn't them losing their licence. The danger is that they might kill people. OK, you've got telemetry, but you can still kill someone without speeding.
What a ridiculous idea. Yes, you could take their licence off them if they drove irresponsibly (almost a given for some people), but if that irresponsibility resulted in the death of other people, taking their licence off them would be too little, too late.
Thankfully, even if this ridiculous idea was a reality, the insurance premiums would almost certainly keep most of them off the road. Look at "black box" quotes for a 17 year old, they're still far from cheap.
Thankfully, even if this ridiculous idea was a reality, the insurance premiums would almost certainly keep most of them off the road. Look at "black box" quotes for a 17 year old, they're still far from cheap.
otolith said:
We already give licences to people who are not really psychologically mature enough
well that is the first problem, how to determine if someone is mature enough? Age is not the good measure, smeone matures with 12-13 years (so that you wouldn't believe how that "kid" thinks), someone never...AreOut said:
otolith said:
We already give licences to people who are not really psychologically mature enough
well that is the first problem, how to determine if someone is mature enough? Age is not the good measure, smeone matures with 12-13 years (so that you wouldn't believe how that "kid" thinks), someone never...TheInsanity1234 said:
No way.
Speaking as a 16 year old, I'd be terrified if people in my year group were given licences to drive a car.
They're bad enough in the classroom (their GCSE grades proved that) but I'd refuse to ever go within 200 miles of them if they were given a provisional.
Some people, even at 17 are just far too immature to be given the responsibility of driving a car, so imagine how much more worse it would be when you put a bunch of teenagers who think it's cool to jump out of their bedroom window and break a leg (that actually happened) in front of the wheel of a car.
I second this as well. When I was 17 a few years back, I remember some of the 'lads' from my school driving around uninsured and doing handbrake turns on the streets around school. No idea of the danger! Really annoyed me that i was £2500 insurance when he was paying nothing!!!!! Speaking as a 16 year old, I'd be terrified if people in my year group were given licences to drive a car.
They're bad enough in the classroom (their GCSE grades proved that) but I'd refuse to ever go within 200 miles of them if they were given a provisional.
Some people, even at 17 are just far too immature to be given the responsibility of driving a car, so imagine how much more worse it would be when you put a bunch of teenagers who think it's cool to jump out of their bedroom window and break a leg (that actually happened) in front of the wheel of a car.
willmagrath said:
I second this as well. When I was 17 a few years back, I remember some of the 'lads' from my school driving around uninsured and doing handbrake turns on the streets around school. No idea of the danger! Really annoyed me that i was £2500 insurance when he was paying nothing!!!!!
I remember something similar, but the 'lad' in question went one step further than no insurance; he used to drive about unaccompanied on his provisional licence and he thought he was amazing for doing so. You won't be surprised to hear that he binned his car the first time it snowed; trying to "drift" his 1.2 Clio around the roundabout outside Tesco. Annoyingly, by this point, he did have a licence and insurance so he didn't get done for it.
otolith said:
Of course there is a distribution, but there are robust statistical trends in areas like attitude to risk-taking and impulse control.
so why not limit that at 30 or 35 but 17/18? Many people mature more from 25 to 30 than from 15 to 25.and why is the 17yo kid allowed to drive an F1 car next year then? Those are significantly more dangerous than usual Clio 1.2 albeit it's all done in relatively controlled environment.
On the road, because we have to balance the need for personal mobility with the risk to others. That's why we allow 17 year olds to drive. Objectively, early twenties would be safer, but people need to get about as functioning adults and our transport system is heavily car based.
On the track, everyone taking part knows and accepts that motorsport is dangerous. It's a risky activity and in racing it rewards calculated risk taking.
On the track, everyone taking part knows and accepts that motorsport is dangerous. It's a risky activity and in racing it rewards calculated risk taking.
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