Should we remove the age barrier for young drivers in case..
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Nigel Worc's said:
Small motorcycles only, between the ages of 16 & 21.
No car licence possible until 21.
I think it'd work, the idiots would just die.
Controversial... No car licence possible until 21.
I think it'd work, the idiots would just die.
My argument used to be that prospective drivers should be forced to ride a pink Honda Melody for a year on L-plates before they are allowed a provisional car licence!!
My 3.5 years on a few mopeds (initially a Honda PC50 Graduate then a Honda Melody II Deluxe, a Simson S51 then a Suzuki Roadie, totalling 30,000 miles before I got behind the wheel of a BSM Metro) taught me a LOT about keeping myself safe (re: following distances and especially how slippery wet roads are ; ) ), which helped once I got behind a steering wheel
.Of course, nobody in government will buy into this theory we both have, nowadays
(and 
).They would have transport, they can get to work, uni, whatever.
I don't believe for a minute that it makes up driving gods in any way, but it does teach you a strange respect for grip, stopping distances, etc etc.
Damage you can inflict upon others is reduced, not to zero, but about as low as you can get for a vehicle with an engine.
I don't believe for a minute that it makes up driving gods in any way, but it does teach you a strange respect for grip, stopping distances, etc etc.
Damage you can inflict upon others is reduced, not to zero, but about as low as you can get for a vehicle with an engine.
AreOut said:
so why not limit that at 30 or 35 but 17/18? Many people mature more from 25 to 30 than from 15 to 25.
and why is the 17yo kid allowed to drive an F1 car next year then? Those are significantly more dangerous than usual Clio 1.2 albeit it's all done in relatively controlled environment.
The cost of car insurance seems to do this to an extent.and why is the 17yo kid allowed to drive an F1 car next year then? Those are significantly more dangerous than usual Clio 1.2 albeit it's all done in relatively controlled environment.
My 21 year old colleague who had a crash in his first month of driving (partly his fault from the way he described it) and goes everywhere at 90 can't afford to insure anything remotely quick which is right and proper imo.
I started driving at 17 & I don't think any of us fuddy duddys should be restricting access to transport that we had open to us back in the day. Or if you are going to advocate this you'd have to serve the restriction in retrospect, wouldn't be the clamour for restricting 17 year olds then.
Although being a bit of an oldster these days, I can't help thinking about some sort of maturity test based around attitude to school work & behaviour, those messing about in class or getting into trouble with the law facing additional testing on their skills, if not restrictions on when they can take their motorbike & car tests.
Although being a bit of an oldster these days, I can't help thinking about some sort of maturity test based around attitude to school work & behaviour, those messing about in class or getting into trouble with the law facing additional testing on their skills, if not restrictions on when they can take their motorbike & car tests.
AreOut said:
so why not limit that at 30 or 35 but 17/18? Many people mature more from 25 to 30 than from 15 to 25.
and why is the 17yo kid allowed to drive an F1 car next year then? Those are significantly more dangerous than usual Clio 1.2 albeit it's all done in relatively controlled environment.
How exactly are you going to determine that one individual is mature enough and the other isn't?and why is the 17yo kid allowed to drive an F1 car next year then? Those are significantly more dangerous than usual Clio 1.2 albeit it's all done in relatively controlled environment.
The point about Verstappen is irrelevant.
Edited by tomjol on Thursday 28th August 09:17
Nigel Worc's said:
Small motorcycles only, between the ages of 16 & 21.
No car licence possible until 21.
I think it'd work, the idiots would just die.
Seems fair enough to me. I only had motorcycles from the age of 17 to 23, I couldn't afford to run a car. The thing about a bike is that if you do something stupid, you'll kill yourself. Do something stupid in a car and you can kill lots of other people too.No car licence possible until 21.
I think it'd work, the idiots would just die.
otolith said:
Yes it was, otherwise he'd have been finding out why he pays five times as much to insure his s
tbox Clio than I do to insure my Lotus!
I like the use of an exclamation mark after Lotus. In reality he probably would have kept driving while you sat in a pole of fibreglass matting and splinters. I agree though allot of knuckles out there driving about.tbox Clio than I do to insure my Lotus!I'd have been fine, he would have just smashed up the front clam, driver's side suspension and crash structure. He made an impulsive, impatient and risky decision which could easily have ended badly. He may also have been going a bit fast for a quiet residential street. That's partly inexperience, but mostly attitude.
I had a run in with some "young drivers" who were pissing around and racing their mates in another car and trying to push in at a junction during rush hour. One of the drivers shouted abuse at me and told me that he knew better than me that he was allowed to enter a box junction "because I passed my theory two weeks ago and you didn't" even though his exit wasn't clear.
I would increase the driving age to 20 - looking back I wouldn't have given me a licence at 17. It was the only thing in the entire world that I really cared about - but I would have probably made it through Uni as I explained here: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
I would increase the driving age to 20 - looking back I wouldn't have given me a licence at 17. It was the only thing in the entire world that I really cared about - but I would have probably made it through Uni as I explained here: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
tomjol said:
How exactly are you going to determine that one individual is mature enough and the other isn't?
The point about Verstappen is irrelevant.
I'm not psychologist but they could find some way, if nothing they could try an IQ test or something, IQ isn't everything, not even the most important thing but it could be measured and mature persons usually have higher IQ (higher than, say, 80).The point about Verstappen is irrelevant.
Edited by tomjol on Thursday 28th August 09:17
Like all threads like these there seems to be a great negativity towards younger drivers.
Age isn't always an issue, a nob is a nob regardless of age. The worst drivers I have encountered on the road tend to be of foreign origin or eldery, thats without mentioning the angry dads or schoolrun mums.
Me and my friends all have a big interest in motoring (all been riding from a young age) and got our full licenses as soon as possible, only 1 accident between us (that was me).
Age isn't always an issue, a nob is a nob regardless of age. The worst drivers I have encountered on the road tend to be of foreign origin or eldery, thats without mentioning the angry dads or schoolrun mums.
Me and my friends all have a big interest in motoring (all been riding from a young age) and got our full licenses as soon as possible, only 1 accident between us (that was me).
JamesD1 said:
Like all threads like these there seems to be a great negativity towards younger drivers.
Age isn't always an issue, a nob is a nob regardless of age. The worst drivers I have encountered on the road tend to be of foreign origin or eldery, thats without mentioning the angry dads or schoolrun mums.
Me and my friends all have a big interest in motoring (all been riding from a young age) and got our full licenses as soon as possible, only 1 accident between us (that was me).
I am an old fart and I agree with you.Age isn't always an issue, a nob is a nob regardless of age. The worst drivers I have encountered on the road tend to be of foreign origin or eldery, thats without mentioning the angry dads or schoolrun mums.
Me and my friends all have a big interest in motoring (all been riding from a young age) and got our full licenses as soon as possible, only 1 accident between us (that was me).
Monkeylegend said:
JamesD1 said:
Like all threads like these there seems to be a great negativity towards younger drivers.
Age isn't always an issue, a nob is a nob regardless of age. The worst drivers I have encountered on the road tend to be of foreign origin or eldery, thats without mentioning the angry dads or schoolrun mums.
Me and my friends all have a big interest in motoring (all been riding from a young age) and got our full licenses as soon as possible, only 1 accident between us (that was me).
I am an old fart and I agree with you.Age isn't always an issue, a nob is a nob regardless of age. The worst drivers I have encountered on the road tend to be of foreign origin or eldery, thats without mentioning the angry dads or schoolrun mums.
Me and my friends all have a big interest in motoring (all been riding from a young age) and got our full licenses as soon as possible, only 1 accident between us (that was me).
Insurance would be cheaper for younger drivers if the stats didn't demonstrate they are more likely to bounce off stuff.
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