Should we remove the age barrier for young drivers in case..
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Telemetry for kids today, in our cars tomorrow, i'm not in favour of that.
Age is about right imo.
Better driver training is the key, the test is a joke, something closer to roadcraft should be taught.
Driving at night, driving in the rain, driving on a motorway, proper observation/hazard awareness, time on a skidpan and on track are all far more important than learning how to park.
Age is about right imo.
Better driver training is the key, the test is a joke, something closer to roadcraft should be taught.
Driving at night, driving in the rain, driving on a motorway, proper observation/hazard awareness, time on a skidpan and on track are all far more important than learning how to park.
I used to be strongly in favour of teaching them limit handling, but I'm less sure about it now. Partly because I think it might make them overconfident, partly because modern cars are better idiot proofed.
Might be better for a speaker inside the car to emit a 100dB shriek at, say, 20kHz every time the stability control or ABS is triggered
Might be better for a speaker inside the car to emit a 100dB shriek at, say, 20kHz every time the stability control or ABS is triggered
Hol said:
Race driving does not require a knowledge or application of the Highway Code, or lane discipline, use of indicators etc.
It's about safe speed, grip and the racing rules.
racing cars(properly) is million times harder than driving on the street and requires much more abilities AND responsibility for yourself and others, ask MaldonadoIt's about safe speed, grip and the racing rules.
Edited by Hol on Saturday 30th August 09:30
kev b said:
Intelligence and maturity are no guides to how good a driver you will be though, a guy I know is super brainy, sociable and with a mature personality, he achieved top marks on the theory test, took 3 tries to pass the driving test and was one of the scariest drivers I have encountered.
I have a friend at CERN, experimental physicist. Scarily clever for all things maths.He is a terrifying driver, analyses all of the environment like a physics experiment.
i.e. missing out human / irrational behaviour.
I'm really sorry my boys were never into Grand Tourismo, I'm sure if they'd played that instead of Assassin's Creed or whatever they would have contributed to the skills they now need to learn to drive.
I suspct that if you took a five year old and spent the next ten years using driving simulation programs (as opposed to games) teaching him or her to drive you'd find they mastered the real thing faster and were safer than when I first drove a car at 16 - I'm 50 now.
Simon
I suspct that if you took a five year old and spent the next ten years using driving simulation programs (as opposed to games) teaching him or her to drive you'd find they mastered the real thing faster and were safer than when I first drove a car at 16 - I'm 50 now.
Simon
otolith said:
I used to be strongly in favour of teaching them limit handling, but I'm less sure about it now. Partly because I think it might make them overconfident, partly because modern cars are better idiot proofed.
Might be better for a speaker inside the car to emit a 100dB shriek at, say, 20kHz every time the stability control or ABS is triggered
ThisMight be better for a speaker inside the car to emit a 100dB shriek at, say, 20kHz every time the stability control or ABS is triggered
simonrockman said:
I'm really sorry my boys were never into Grand Tourismo, I'm sure if they'd played that instead of Assassin's Creed or whatever they would have contributed to the skills they now need to learn to drive.
I suspct that if you took a five year old and spent the next ten years using driving simulation programs (as opposed to games) teaching him or her to drive you'd find they mastered the real thing faster and were safer than when I first drove a car at 16 - I'm 50 now.
Not ThisI suspct that if you took a five year old and spent the next ten years using driving simulation programs (as opposed to games) teaching him or her to drive you'd find they mastered the real thing faster and were safer than when I first drove a car at 16 - I'm 50 now.
If there was a driving simulator that replicated real-world road driving situations, then I might agree. All Gran Tursimo or whatever teaches you is that if you try to take Tamburello too fast you'll crash - but that's ok because you can reset and have another go.
The skills you need for car control on the limit (which is what racing is all about) are not the skills you need for safely negotiating your way though Basingstoke on a wet Friday evening in December.
Edited by Gaspode on Sunday 31st August 07:11
AreOut said:
Hol said:
Race driving does not require a knowledge or application of the Highway Code, or lane discipline, use of indicators etc.
It's about safe speed, grip and the racing rules.
racing cars(properly) is million times harder than driving on the street and requires much more abilities AND responsibility for yourself and others, ask MaldonadoIt's about safe speed, grip and the racing rules.
Edited by Hol on Saturday 30th August 09:30
But you are actually talking about the ability to control a car at high speed. Not the ability to drive a car safely on the street (opposing, traffic, no racing line, pedestrian hazards, traffic signals, give way signs etc..)
Gaspode said:
Not This
If there was a driving simulator that replicated real-world road driving situations, then I might agree. All Gran Tursimo or whatever teaches you is that if you try to take Tamburello too fast you'll crash - but that's ok because you can reset and have another go.
The skills you need for car control on the limit (which is what racing is all about) are not the skills you need for safely negotiating your way though Basingstoke on a wet Friday evening in December.
however what percent of drivers haven't had car out of control (being it on rain/snow, not just speeding) at one point of time? If there was a driving simulator that replicated real-world road driving situations, then I might agree. All Gran Tursimo or whatever teaches you is that if you try to take Tamburello too fast you'll crash - but that's ok because you can reset and have another go.
The skills you need for car control on the limit (which is what racing is all about) are not the skills you need for safely negotiating your way though Basingstoke on a wet Friday evening in December.
Edited by Gaspode on Sunday 31st August 07:11
also there is a driving simulator that replicates real traffic, too lazy to google for it now
LucreLout said:
otolith said:
IQ is no use.
It isn't if its double digit (over half the population)...Most people with a top flight IQ, say 2 standard deviation's above, will be safer drivers than those with a more remedial IQ at 2 standard deviations below the average.
Driving age in New Zealand has just been raised from 15 to 16 - there is also a "learner" licence system that looks similar to the Canadian one.
The one major difference about NZ is that insurance isn't compulsory, so legally there is nothing stopping a 16 year old who has passed a first test (they then can only drive alone or with older people with full licences) driving a Ferrari.
As for the driving age...doesn't matter what it is, there will always be incompetent drivers.
As for an IQ test, IQ often doesn't relate to common sense.
The one major difference about NZ is that insurance isn't compulsory, so legally there is nothing stopping a 16 year old who has passed a first test (they then can only drive alone or with older people with full licences) driving a Ferrari.
As for the driving age...doesn't matter what it is, there will always be incompetent drivers.
As for an IQ test, IQ often doesn't relate to common sense.
TheInsanity1234 said:
No way.
Speaking as a 16 year old, I'd be terrified if people in my year group were given licences to drive a car.
They're bad enough in the classroom (their GCSE grades proved that) but I'd refuse to ever go within 200 miles of them if they were given a provisional.
Some people, even at 17 are just far too immature to be given the responsibility of driving a car, so imagine how much more worse it would be when you put a bunch of teenagers who think it's cool to jump out of their bedroom window and break a leg (that actually happened) in front of the wheel of a car.
/thread. Speaking as a 16 year old, I'd be terrified if people in my year group were given licences to drive a car.
They're bad enough in the classroom (their GCSE grades proved that) but I'd refuse to ever go within 200 miles of them if they were given a provisional.
Some people, even at 17 are just far too immature to be given the responsibility of driving a car, so imagine how much more worse it would be when you put a bunch of teenagers who think it's cool to jump out of their bedroom window and break a leg (that actually happened) in front of the wheel of a car.
Nice post that man.. Boy.
AreOut said:
they drive only cars/bikes with full, not hackable telemetry? Why not allow anyone physically/mentally fit to drive if he would constantly get monitored with danger of losing the license if he ever does anything reckless (say >10-20 mph over the limit, abrupt moves etc.)?
You went full retard.Never go full retard.
otolith said:
Possibly, but I'd rather be driven by a 40 year old bricklayer than a 19 year old Oxbridge undergrad.
And if the choices are 19 year old brickie or 40 year old Oxbridge grad?I sort of see where you're going on this, but I think if we want safer roads, a cap at 1 SD below average will get us further forward than more random enforcement targeted at everyone rather
than the few.
Pommygranite said:
You went full retard.
Never go full retard.
care to explain? If you are underage and want to drive, you have to give up some of your privacy. Driving at sane speeds for a couple of years would prepare you better for unmonitored drive than putting you straight away in "unmonitored" car. Never go full retard.
LucreLout said:
otolith said:
Possibly, but I'd rather be driven by a 40 year old bricklayer than a 19 year old Oxbridge undergrad.
And if the choices are 19 year old brickie or 40 year old Oxbridge grad?I sort of see where you're going on this, but I think if we want safer roads, a cap at 1 SD below average will get us further forward than more random enforcement targeted at everyone rather
than the few.
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