RE: Audi RS6 Avant: PH Fleet

[matpilch]

I can't see how the kids would cope with being rushed to school with 560hp just after a healthy breakfast.

[Studio117]

graeme4130 said:

DoubleSix said:

whoami said:

DoubleSix said:

I just wish I could sensibly have them in-front of the B pillar as it would have prevented the oik in a rusty flatbed from gawping at my OH's legs when stuck in traffic by Temple Meads last Tuesday.

Sorry.

I didn't think he'd noticed.

SHE didn't but I fooking did! And lent across to share my thoughts!

So totally off topic, but surely if a women wears a short skirt in public, to an extent they have little grounds to moan about people looking at their legs
Same goes with low cut tops

So his Mrs wears short skirts and breast feeds in the car and wonders why people stare a bit.



Stop looking at my wifes bare breasts pervert!

[Dale487]

The colour is great.

On the super unleaded question, I read that if you car doesn't have to run on it - its advised to use it every fourth tank, as there are detergents & additives that clean your injectors & other engine parts.

With fast Audis I can't help think less is more - as the current S1, S3 & S4 all get 4 star or better reviews but the RS models aren't rated as highly (harsh ride, the engine is too heavy, lack of handling balance).

[Coddy85]

Dale487 said:

The colour is great.

On the super unleaded question, I read that if you car doesn't have to run on it - its advised to use it every fourth tank, as there are detergents & additives that clean your injectors & other engine parts.

With fast Audis I can't help think less is more - as the current S1, S3 & S4 all get 4 star or better reviews but the RS models aren't rated as highly (harsh ride, the engine is too heavy, lack of handling balance).

I think the realistic, affordable performance comes from the "S" brand rather than the "RS".

I'd much rather put £30k on a C6 model RS, just about as much fun without worrying too much about anything else. But then again £30k on the new S3 is a more likely proposition, keeping the options modest of course!

I don't understand why people would spend £100k on a Range Rover. The RS6 will be better built, faster, better on fuel, cheaper to service and hold residual higher. I'll stick with my ~£30k Audis for now, unless that lottery win comes in.

[Adrian E]

Dale487 said:

The colour is great.

On the super unleaded question, I read that if you car doesn't have to run on it - its advised to use it every fourth tank, as there are detergents & additives that clean your injectors & other engine parts.

With fast Audis I can't help think less is more - as the current S1, S3 & S4 all get 4 star or better reviews but the RS models aren't rated as highly (harsh ride, the engine is too heavy, lack of handling balance).

If the manual or fuel flap quotes 2 octanes/RONS/Cetanes then it'll be mapped to run on the higher to give full performance. Running it on the lower octane won't damage it - the advice quoted above mainly applied to low-ish tuned 90s Japanese cars where they were expected to run on the equivalent of 98 all the time in Japan, but don't mind a bit of 95.

Fuel additives is a whole different issue which could run to a 100 page thread on its own - basically if it's sold on a forecourt it will be fine. I personally use branded fuel as local to me it seems more consistent blend.

Be interested to hear from Chris what it says inside the fuel flap?

[NomduJour]

Coddy85 said:

I don't understand why people would spend £100k on a Range Rover. The RS6 will be better built, faster, better on fuel, cheaper to service and hold residual higher

I'll give you "faster".

[LongLiveTazio]

Don't understand the negative comments about weight. Its only real rival is a large SUV like the Cayenne Turbo, which weighs several hundred kg more. The non-4WD E63 AMG is only about 50kg less, which is imperceptible - unlike the interior quality... And despite having more equipment, but less consumption/co2 emissions, it also weighs less than the model it replaces. So, well done Audi?

[Hom]

Dale487 said:

With fast Audis I can't help think less is more - as the current S1, S3 & S4 all get 4 star or better reviews but the RS models aren't rated as highly (harsh ride, the engine is too heavy, lack of handling balance).

Eh?

Current B8 RS4 reviews from quick google:

Autocar 4/5 http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/audi/rs4-avant...
EVO: 4/5 http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/2927...
Autoexpress: 4/5 http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/audi/rs4
Top gear: 7/10 http://www.topgear.com/uk/audi/rs4-avant/verdict
Telegraph: 4/5 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/car-manufactur...
Autotrader: 4/5 http://www.autotrader.co.uk/articles/2012/06/cars/...
What car: 3/5 http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/audi/a4/2012-audi-...
Honest John: 4/5 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/audi/rs4-2012...
Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-22...
Parkers: 4.5/5 http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/audi/a4/rs4-...

[Dave Hedgehog]

Hom said:

Dale487 said:

With fast Audis I can't help think less is more - as the current S1, S3 & S4 all get 4 star or better reviews but the RS models aren't rated as highly (harsh ride, the engine is too heavy, lack of handling balance).

Eh?

Current B8 RS4 reviews from quick google:

Autocar 4/5 http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/audi/rs4-avant...
EVO: 4/5 http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/2927...
Autoexpress: 4/5 http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/audi/rs4
Top gear: 7/10 http://www.topgear.com/uk/audi/rs4-avant/verdict
Telegraph: 4/5 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/car-manufactur...
Autotrader: 4/5 http://www.autotrader.co.uk/articles/2012/06/cars/...
What car: 3/5 http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/audi/a4/2012-audi-...
Honest John: 4/5 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/audi/rs4-2012...
Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-22...
Parkers: 4.5/5 http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/audi/a4/rs4-...

The B8 RS4 is a very poor daily driver compared to the RS6, even ignoring that dynamic suspension mode which makes the RS3 appear to have soft fluffy marshmallow suspension the biggest problem is Audi have tuned the V8 for hard driving (and it is a truly epic engine when your on it) but it makes for a very bad real world engine as its pretty much dead below 4k rpms, the RS6 on the other hand (and the RS3 to a slightly lesser extent) will melt the tyres with a light jab of the loud pedal from tick over.

Audi have been testing a biturbo V6 with a reported 550bhp output so hopefully this will end up in the next RS4 which should make it far more flexible for every day driving. Although it will probably be 550 in the RS6 and detuned to 4 something for the RS4

[Dave Hedgehog]

jamieduff1981 said:

okie592 said:

jamieduff1981 said:

I simply and utterly cannot get over this country's fking obsession with overcast grey though. I mean seriously now could you pick a more lifeless colour?

Resale value.

Resale value is entirely dependant on someone else spotting the invisible car and thinking "Wow - that miserable hue suits my personality perfectly. Take my money Salesman!"

I just don't get it

most people buying cars like this will p/x them back to the dealer, the dealers know what sells and what colours stand for ever and they can not give away, it will hit your p/x price if you have a spec they know will be hard to sell

i always ask dealers what int/exterior colours are hard to sell because of this

[scherzkeks]

Dave Hedgehog said:

Audi have been testing a biturbo V6 with a reported 550bhp output so hopefully this will end up in the next RS4 which should make it far more flexible for every day driving. Although it will probably be 550 in the RS6 and detuned to 4 something for the RS4

Cue PH review complaining about improved flexibility for everyday driving.

[Hom]

Dave Hedgehog said:

The B8 RS4 is a very poor daily driver compared to the RS6, even ignoring that dynamic suspension mode which makes the RS3 appear to have soft fluffy marshmallow suspension the biggest problem is Audi have tuned the V8 for hard driving (and it is a truly epic engine when your on it) but it makes for a very bad real world engine as its pretty much dead below 4k rpms, the RS6 on the other hand (and the RS3 to a slightly lesser extent) will melt the tyres with a light jab of the loud pedal from tick over.

Audi have been testing a biturbo V6 with a reported 550bhp output so hopefully this will end up in the next RS4 which should make it far more flexible for every day driving. Although it will probably be 550 in the RS6 and detuned to 4 something for the RS4

That's not the point I was making. Mines a daily and suits me perfect. Same arguments are always thrown at the E9x M3 about being dead below 4k and I never had an issue either......Anyway floating off topic but highlighting an incorrect notion that most RS models are poorly received.

Edited by Hom on Friday 29th August 10:47

[PistonBroker]

Monkey echoes my sentiments about Audis in the first part of the article. I always feel like an Audi is a good solid thing which would give me enough amusement much of the time . . . but I'd always be wondering about the fun I could be having in a BMW.

It wasn't quite the same compromise as, ultimately, I loved my Mk2 Golf GTI but it sums it up in a similar way. The Golf was the sensible option as I'd set out to buy a 205 GTI.

Edit: Forgot to mention I like the bit about speccing Ceramics. 'Ah, sir, I see you've gone for the Ceramics, very discerning.' 'Oh, that? No, the car just spends a lot of time parked up.'

Edited by PistonBroker on Friday 29th August 10:43

[dukebox9reg]

NomduJour said:

Coddy85 said:

I don't understand why people would spend £100k on a Range Rover. The RS6 will be better built, faster, better on fuel, cheaper to service and hold residual higher

I'll give you "faster".

Ring time vs the SVR?

Just looked myself 8.05 vs 8.14. 9 secs so slightly quicker/faster

Cant imagine SVRs bombing in value that much.

Edited by dukebox9reg on Friday 29th August 11:25

[Dave Hedgehog]

Hom said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

The B8 RS4 is a very poor daily driver compared to the RS6, even ignoring that dynamic suspension mode which makes the RS3 appear to have soft fluffy marshmallow suspension the biggest problem is Audi have tuned the V8 for hard driving (and it is a truly epic engine when your on it) but it makes for a very bad real world engine as its pretty much dead below 4k rpms, the RS6 on the other hand (and the RS3 to a slightly lesser extent) will melt the tyres with a light jab of the loud pedal from tick over.

Audi have been testing a biturbo V6 with a reported 550bhp output so hopefully this will end up in the next RS4 which should make it far more flexible for every day driving. Although it will probably be 550 in the RS6 and detuned to 4 something for the RS4

That's not the point I was making. Mines a daily and suits me perfect. Same arguments are always thrown at the E9x M3 about being dead below 4k and I never had an issue either......Anyway floating off topic but highlighting an incorrect notion that most RS models are poorly received.

Edited by Hom on Friday 29th August 10:47

generally there not seen as the pinnacle of driving involvement especially when compared to M Cars (the real ones) but Audi do generally know what their customers want and build to that and not what a jurno on a track for a couple of hours wants

but even then owners requirements vary depending on how and where they drive

[Dave Hedgehog]

scherzkeks said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

Audi have been testing a biturbo V6 with a reported 550bhp output so hopefully this will end up in the next RS4 which should make it far more flexible for every day driving. Although it will probably be 550 in the RS6 and detuned to 4 something for the RS4

Cue PH review complaining about improved flexibility for everyday driving.

aye, a lot of people will not be happy with this but the new M4s engine is vastly better as a daily drive than the old V8 or the RS V8 IMO

[Davey S2]

jamieduff1981 said:

Whatever the appeal of this car is, it goes completely over my head. Especially in this colour which would have been dismissed from a board meeting in the Morris Minor factory for being st.

Sorry Chris - I wouldn't drive this if you gave it to me. It's just bland embodied on 4 wheels.

When a car looks this non-descript, who cares how fast it goes or how little brains are needed to drive it because of its AWD. I utterly reject any notion that it's better in winter too because tyres this wide are lethal on snow and ice. If your RWD car doesn't want to move, at least you can't crash it when unable to stop at a T-junction on a gentle downhill slope.

You seem to have missed the whole point of cars like these. The fact that they are non descript yet very fast and easy to drive are precisely why so many people like them. Not everyone who likes performance wantas the attention that comes with driving somethibg exotic (although most owners will probably have other performance cars as well).


I can't see the point in having so much power in a big estate car when a 535d Touring has all the performance you realisticly need on the road, especially whith a family in the car and dog in the boot but I can still see the attraction.

If my Euromillions came up one of these would be on the short list as an everyday smoker.

[neil1jnr]

Gandahar said:

I think I might be slaughtered here but I really do not see the point of a big fast petrol estate with poorer fuel economy and range (especially the range) when you can a big fast diesel estate with both. Do people really carry their families and dogs and constantly bounce off the rev limiter without any comments? Like "stop it now or I am getting out".

Of course you can tell from the previous paragraph I'd rather have one of these

http://www.worldcarfans.com/113091062782/2014-alpi...

Under 5 seconds to 60 and probably 40mpg real world when going down to Devon seems a better compromise to me.

Note I am not a diesel fan, prefer petrol engines, but in smaller, sportier handling cars.

The RS6 has the SAME amount of torque as the Alpina on your link but a heck of a lot more power and a much better rev range. You wouldn't need to bounce it off the limiter, do you have a clue about cars, diesels are torquey becuase of turbo charging, just like petrol turbos.

[neil1jnr]

rlc18 said:

I would LITERALLY give my left NUT for this car. Seriously who wants to give me an RS6 for my nut?... seriously people.

It does everything you could possibly want a car to do in my books (so much space for activities!) and looks absolutely immense whilst doing it. Personally I don't think there is a meaner looking car sold in Britain today, especially any of its competitors.

in Matt Grey or whatever they call their deep dark grey, oh Jebus yes...

Looks EPIC. So evil looking.

[Stan 24v]

In order to get the look of the Aussie car, Chris, you just need a tin of Plastidip. Its a quick spray on rubber solution which just peels off when you no longer want it, that way you get the look you want and its 100% reversible without any fear of damaging the paint, invalidating your warranty or annoying Audi (any more than previously).....................plus it will look superb!!

http://www.plastidip.co.uk/eStore/index.cfm?Plasti...