RE: Audi RS6 Avant: PH Fleet
Discussion
405dogvan said:
I think we must remember that a manufacturer does not care what happens to a car beyond it's first owner/warranty period (and I'm talking the comprehensive warranty period plus goodwill - not the every-more-fleeting bits of warranty when it really only covers a lightning strike you can prove came from God's own hand)
Of course they don't. It's just that cars are increasingly becoming like other consumer electronics in that after a couple of years, most consider them "old" and want to throw them away for the latest thing. Great if you're a manufacturer, not so great if you're a car enthusiast looking to get the best bang for buck in the used market because you don't want to spend £15k on a 1.6 diesel Focus.You would have hoped though that manufacturers would want to ensure that all the tech is reliable for fear of a negative reputation. I'm currently looking to replace my 320i...I've been looking at Z4s and want heated leather, Xenons etc. but DON'T want one with navigation as it dates the whole interior. I'd rather a normal headunit that can be replaced.
405dogvan said:
Cars are made to appeal to people, not on a list price basis but a monthly rental basis (as the majority of new cars are leased in some form) and so the cost of fixing stuff later isn't even a factor (whoever put the oil pump on a Mk1 TT where it is, understood this pretty well!)
We often talk of the arms-race for power but I think the more worrying arms-race is with trinkets and add-ons - so many trinkets as standard, so many more trinkets on the options list. We used-to-talk of options being worthless at resale but there are so many now that the reality is NOT taking them devalues your car (rather than taking them adding value) - possibly to the point that it becomes bloody hard to sell.
In a market with far more used cars than people want - that's worse than losing money on options!?
Depends on the car and the option. For example, I wouldn't buy an S4 without the Sport Differential but Joe Average wouldn't even know what that was and wouldn't give any more money for a car with it. Also, would most people really give you more money for front passenger seat electric lumbar adjustment (an extra cost option fitted to my Discovery)?We often talk of the arms-race for power but I think the more worrying arms-race is with trinkets and add-ons - so many trinkets as standard, so many more trinkets on the options list. We used-to-talk of options being worthless at resale but there are so many now that the reality is NOT taking them devalues your car (rather than taking them adding value) - possibly to the point that it becomes bloody hard to sell.
In a market with far more used cars than people want - that's worse than losing money on options!?
On the other hand...try selling an 5-Series, A6 or E-Class without leather.
hwajones said:
Chris Harris said:
yellowbentines said:
A £77k car that doesn't have heated seats or phone preparation as standard?!
The colour suits it well, as it does seem like quite a dull way to spend £100k on a car.
Lack of heated seats as standard is criminal in my book. The colour suits it well, as it does seem like quite a dull way to spend £100k on a car.
I'm sure Audi know their market by now.
Paying extra for heated seats in any modern car of this calibre is a joke.
IIRC- Was it BMW that used to sell cars with speakers fitted but the head unit for the stereo was an optional extra?
PS- Could Mr Harris have his brightwork vinyl coated to emulate his beloved Oz press car?
Cracking car,the way it puts it's power down and goes is incredible.Having driven them all it would be my choice over the m5 and amg Mercs ,just for the extra usability it has.
Cabin is underwhelming for the price unless you spec some interior extras,but it's one mean looking mother f***er.
Cabin is underwhelming for the price unless you spec some interior extras,but it's one mean looking mother f***er.
Chris Harris said:
dukebox9reg said:
In my Cooper S it says 95 on the flap but read the manual and it says run it on super for its true performance or something like that.
I tend to run on tesco 100 or Shell.
Stick the RS6 on a rolling road. Show the difference between 95 and 100 on a modern turbo car.
I know 5th gear years back did a similar test and the good ol'scooby had pretty good gains with super.
Mk5 Golf GTI 95RON 172bhp,BP Ultimate 174bhp, Shell Optimax 177bhp
Hawkeye STI 95RON 235bhp, BP Ultimate 248bhp, Shell 249bhp
How much do people spend on induction kits trying to get a 5bhp gain let alone a 14bhp.
Good idea. I shall do just that.I tend to run on tesco 100 or Shell.
Stick the RS6 on a rolling road. Show the difference between 95 and 100 on a modern turbo car.
I know 5th gear years back did a similar test and the good ol'scooby had pretty good gains with super.
Mk5 Golf GTI 95RON 172bhp,BP Ultimate 174bhp, Shell Optimax 177bhp
Hawkeye STI 95RON 235bhp, BP Ultimate 248bhp, Shell 249bhp
How much do people spend on induction kits trying to get a 5bhp gain let alone a 14bhp.
Retard the ignition timing.
Richen the mixture.
Limit the boost pressure (this is what SAAB's 'APC' did back in the '80s).
Any of these will reduce the power output. By how much depends on how the thing is tuned (i.e. how close to the knock limit it runs).
Going back to the old SAAB example, if you put 95 in an APC-equipped car, you'll get full boost briefly before it cuts the boost. Give it some Super, and it'll hold full boost. In that case, the difference is obvious - at full boost, the ignition timing and mixture is such that it needs super to limit knock.
Chris Harris said:
contango said:
"In the beginning we had the Quattro, big 'Q' and major all-weather pace."
CH, I do appreciate you are not an Audi man but it was quattro, the icon had a small non capital "q".
Sorry!CH, I do appreciate you are not an Audi man but it was quattro, the icon had a small non capital "q".
Which is now, of course, a cue for everyone to go ferreting about in articles in which we've bowed to it and written ECOnetic or whatever. *Generally* speaking we avoid it though.
Cheers!
Dan
Whilst the idea of 560bhp in a 5-door estate car is very amusing I utterly fail to see the point of this car. It is far to big to drive quickly on almost all Europes best driving roads, it is completely unsuitable for driving on track (weight, cost of consumables etc) and the performance is just so great as to be unusable on the public highway.
PtheP said:
Twice as much on extras as I have even spent (of my own money) on a car! Some of us inhabit different worlds ...................
Yes indeed. 21 inch 285 section tyres that it will undoubtedly eat at a prodigious rate, hideous fuel consumption, depreciation on a £100k estate, the mind boggles at how much this would cost to run even before it starts breaking.If you're going to run it or a rolling road make sure to reset the ECU between different fuel runs.
Also if you're going to be switching between premium and 'boggo' unleaded could you keep a note of your MPG values? Although it has a 1/4 of the power, half the cylinders and one less turbo I get about 30 more miles if I use Shell VPN+ than the 'fuel save' unleaded from a 55 litre tank.
Also if you're going to be switching between premium and 'boggo' unleaded could you keep a note of your MPG values? Although it has a 1/4 of the power, half the cylinders and one less turbo I get about 30 more miles if I use Shell VPN+ than the 'fuel save' unleaded from a 55 litre tank.
TurboHatchback said:
Whilst the idea of 560bhp in a 5-door estate car is very amusing I utterly fail to see the point of this car. It is far to big to drive quickly on almost all Europes best driving roads, it is completely unsuitable for driving on track (weight, cost of consumables etc) and the performance is just so great as to be unusable on the public highway.
I agree with all of that but the fact is there are still enough people with enough cash to buy and run these things.PtheP said:
Twice as much on extras as I have even spent (of my own money) on a car! Some of us inhabit different worlds ...................
Yes indeed. 21 inch 285 section tyres that it will undoubtedly eat at a prodigious rate, hideous fuel consumption, depreciation on a £100k estate, the mind boggles at how much this would cost to run even before it starts breaking.When you look at the running costs of things like boats, helicopters and private jets RS6 costs are just petty cash.
simo1863 said:
Obligatory look at my RS6 post...... was actually a tester I had for a week.....
Not sure whether I preferred the E63S though, tough one.
The design looks uninterupted as the B pillar doesnt jump out and the lines arent compromised by the eye picking up the pillars on the far side, headrests etc etc
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