RE: Audi RS6 Avant: PH Fleet

RE: Audi RS6 Avant: PH Fleet

Thursday 28th August 2014

Audi RS6 Avant: PH Fleet

As Dan's fast grey German estate prepares to depart the PH fleet Harris bags a newer, bigger and faster one



I think it was around the time I wrote a piece for Autocar entitled 'why I hate the Audi TT' that my relationship with Audi deteriorated. They didn't agree with the piece and sent a strongly worded letter saying as much.

I've never quite clicked with Audi as a maker of fast cars. I admire everything it's done in the mainstream market, the brand has been expertly presented and managed and it appears to be good at winning Le Mans. But the showroom connection to this on-track success is mercurial as mercurial as, er, Jean Alesi.

Battleship grey seems entirely appropriate
Battleship grey seems entirely appropriate
In the beginning we had the Quattro, big 'Q' and major all-weather pace. Then the rather terrible S2, then a whole generation of 4WD, pretty, usable, fast machines that were about as much fun as colonic irrigation.

Then came the R8 and the B7 RS4. And suddenly Audi's RS brand became a serious rival to BMW's M, and pretty much all other makers of fast machinery. That should have ushered in an era of faultless fast cars, but instead we were offered the dog poo that was the original RS5 and then the latest RS4 which was just a bit average, and of course the last RS6 which weighed more than Ingolstadt itself.

Friends reunited
Why this potted history? Audi has lent me an RS6 for a while. This is something of a leap of faith for them, given my presumed (and unfounded) anti-Audi stance, and equally an RS6 has traditionally been the large performance German that I didn't really want to live with.

I am very interested in how this relationship turns out, because the RS6 is perhaps the car that best defines the difference between a machine that can win a tester's heart in a day and one whose charms may be released more slowly over time. The S4 I've had for well over a year now is a cracking car, but the affection in which everyone who drives holds it is very much couched in terms of respect rather than exhilaration. For the money, if you didn't need the space, an E46 M3 would be more engaging. But this leads us to the thorny subject of all-wheel drive and its role in a fast car.

Debadge? Tick. Bravo Mr Harris
Debadge? Tick. Bravo Mr Harris
Do people buy RS6s to gas on about steering feel and agility and going sideways? Of course not. They buy them because they go like the clappers, don't get stuck in Chamonix come December and look bloomin' marvelous. All of those things are appealing, but I've always felt that if the accompanying downsides were tragic steering, a brake pedal more sensitive than my feelings around being branded a paid Porsche hand in the PH forums and the ride comfort of a cheap lawn tractor. Well, I'd rather just manage some RWD oversteer.

These new RS6s must be very popular because I completed the order form at the end of last year. The specification caused some consternation because I didn't want tinted glass and having seen some shots of an Australian press car in Nardo grey with all the brightwork painted black. It looked superbly sinister, but not gangster - a difficult trick to pull off.

Twist of the arm
Audi took some persuading on the colour, but gamely gave in after some resistance, however they said the satin-finish brightwork was too much of a pain to replace, so was left in place. I still think it looks stunning, but secretly wish it had the black window surrounds!

Ceramics, 21s, RS suspension ... and £10K+ on price
Ceramics, 21s, RS suspension ... and £10K+ on price
But what an impressive, imposing machine the RS6 is. The wide arches, big oval exhaust holes and optional 21-inch forged wheels give just the correct suggestion of don't effing mess with me. And the base A6 Avant shape is very pretty anyway.

My sidekick Neil nearly vomited when he saw the pin-stripe wood inside but, again, I think it's a welcome change from those dreary German cabins. I suspect there's a spreadsheet somewhere at Audi UK will track the residual value of this car with some interest.

This area of the marketplace is as much about personalising your car as just specifying the equipment level. I've really just gone for bits that enhance the performance (Dynamic Package Plus for a mere £10,725, sports exhaust for £1,000) and added a big hi-fi for £6,300. And just those three options are of greater cost the value of my entire 2009 S4.

I don't think I've ever seen a set of options for a normal production car that can drag its base price above six figures so easily. Anyone fancy 'Audi Exclusive design package in Valcona leather with honeycomb quilted design'? If you do, it's £9,200. And you can still drop another £2,700 on an Alcantara headlining. I kind of understand why Audi wanted me to stay calm on the spec!

Dabble in trims and you could add many £s still
Dabble in trims and you could add many £s still
The car arrived with 250 miles showing and the manual suggested taking it easy for the first 950 miles. This was duly done, and I was very careful bedding in the vast carbon ceramic discs and their pads. There are two reasons I ticked the Dynamic Package Plus box to get the crazy brakes. Firstly, I've driven one of these with steels and I cooked them quite easily. And my cars spend lots of time in airport car parks, and those open spokes mean lots of rust on mild steel discs.

I have just enjoyed my first few drives being able to use full power, and even after the FF it feels very brisk. This part-Bentley 4.0-litre bi-turbo V8 is immense. The soundtrack is too obviously fake, but the combination of 516lb ft and the ZF eight-speed transmission is just about the perfect everyday companion. I'm seeing 26mpg on long runs, so the 70-litre tank gives a decent range.

Super enough?
I'm slightly unsure on the super unleaded debate. For the running in period I used the good stuff, thinking it might in some way be better for the engine. Which I suspect is complete bunkum. But it's just swilled a tank of 95 octane and still feels indecently fast, so what do I do. I've always wondered about this - does the slight power loss matter, or should there be a moral responsibility to ensure than one's 560hp is fully deployable at all times? I think I might just save the cash.

£100 extra for toasty cheeks is, well, cheeky
£100 extra for toasty cheeks is, well, cheeky
The top speed is pegged at 189mph, which is a little inconvenient, but I'll just have to live within such limitations. The suspension is the optional Dynamic Ride Control dampers and called RS Sports which should strike the fear of god into any civilised human who craves long wheel travel and suppleness. But you know what? It's very well judged for this country. Firm enough to give a sense of connection and very good at flattening ropey A-roads. In fact I think the suspension is impressing me as much as the powertrain. It feels like a completely different team of people worked on it than the ones who ruined the current RS4 chassis. That's because it was a different team of people.

And lumping down the M4 in a deluge and then having to make time on some back roads, well, then you do appreciate the four driven wheels. The front doesn't push at road speeds (with 285 sections on the front, you'd damn well hope so too) and the traction is, as you'd expect, phenomenal.

So, enough for now. This is a stunning car. And I'm a lucky sod to be loaned it for a while.


FACT SHEET
Car:
2014 Audi RS6 Avant
Run by: Chris Harris
On fleet since: August 2014
Mileage: Enough to start letting it off the leash now
List price new: £77,005 before options (£98,765 as tested comprising Dynamic Package Plus [includes RS Sports suspension and ceramic brakes] £10,725, 21-inch wheels £2,000, Sports Exhaust £1,000, debadge £0, rear window sunblinds £210, heated seats £100, aluminium 'Beaufort Black' inlays £1,250, B&O Advanced sound system £6,300 and 'mobile phone preparation low' £175)
Last month at a glance: First impressions count ... and they're favourable

 

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Dave Hedgehog

Original Poster:

14,541 posts

203 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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I was lucky enough to have one for a week, what a stonking engine, bat st crazy, im not sure what spec the one I had was but it had adjustable air suspension that was unflinched by pot holes and sleeping policeman

Every time I used the loud pedal it caused me to have fits of laughter (i dont get to drive V12 ferrari), but a couple of seconds of gas at 80 will put the speedo north of 120 ...

I love the engine and think its the best looking RS ever (even better than my B5) but a few things put me off, 13mgp for one, initial depreciation high enough to buy a M235i, its huge over spilling my parking space in both directions, the ride is far to soft and comfortable for me, but the biggest problem I had was not being able to find any deals, M5s can be leased for nearly half the monthly on the RS6 frown

and anyone who spends 6.5 grand on a audio upgrade on a car they will change after a couple of years needs there head examined, you could get one hell of a home cinema setup for less


looks an absolute beast in dark met blue






Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Thursday 28th August 14:37

405dogvan

5,326 posts

264 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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Once upon a time you liked fast Audi Estates because they were practical, stealthy and cheap enough to make sense when you wanted 'fast' without 'flash' and had a dog/bike/family in-tow.

Almost £100K for that is - it's - it's - WHAT!?

I posted 3 cars to the 'What car have you been..." thread yesterday - a 348,355 and Griffith - of which you could have any 2 and enough left for a nice, old, fast Estate car - and a holiday - and some chocolates, quite a lot of chocolates!

I have no idea what relevance this car has to anyone actually interested in cars right now - in 10 years time, if it's electronics have not melted, call me back.

p.s. 100K and it doesn't even have the 'quattro' grille - I saw one of those on a fking Q3 yesterday FFS

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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CHs new car pictured earlier:




Try not to get torpedo'd on the M4 next time we have some inclement weather........


;-)

ash9988777

4 posts

119 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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Stunning car, I love the honeycomb interior. Anything that can touch nearly 200mph with 4 up and a Labrador in the boot gets a big thumbs up from me!

andrew.delamare

74 posts

254 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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Can we have some decent MPG in your future reports Chris?

Now sure, you don't buy a car like this for fuel saving but knowing the fuel station attendant so well you get a Christmas card from them is also not an option for a fast load lugger like this.

26 on a long run seems ok. Perhaps just worst/best would be cool and total mileage on a tank now and them when notable if poss?

Just gives and idea on what the potential outlay is.


Adrian E

3,248 posts

175 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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To me, this engine should be in the RS4 as well smile

The old RS6 could be happily specced to over £100k as well - I know of a number that were and the only thing that put me off looking at them seriously as a used purchase was the ruinous fuel bills with the V10tt (have an S8 for that!) - they've proved ridiculously reliable mechanically and electronically, but obviously the bills when they do appear can make a grown man weep!

If these go the same way as the old model in terms of values I'll be looking for a nicely specced one without ceramics in a few years time.

Just bought an S5 Sportback with the V6t engine and that's averaging similar numbers to what Chris is reporting here from a 4.0t redface

Does the RS6 quote 95/98 on the fuel flap? Our S5 states 91/95 so have stuck to quality 95 on the basis if it's not mapped for full power on 98 then it probably won't make any difference using it.

Enjoy biggrin

323ti

128 posts

120 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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Max_Torque said:
CHs new car pictured earlier:

Uh oh. That means it might not react well to plunging long range 15 inch artillery shells?

dukebox9reg

1,570 posts

147 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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Heard a few Bentley V8s round the Stratford Upon Avon area and they really do sound mean. Is the Audi exhaust of similar bark and volume?

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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£100K. Wow.

ManOpener

12,467 posts

168 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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Battleship grey with pinstripe and honeycomb interior and black brightwork doesn't sound like it should work but it looks astounding. Somewhere between posh architect and African dictator which is probably a fairly apt combination.

John Allison

22 posts

115 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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Love that he got it de-badged

Charlie Michael

2,750 posts

183 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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Dave Hedgehog said:
I was lucky enough to have one for a week, what a stonking engine, bat st crazy, im not sure what spec the one I had was but it had adjustable air suspension that was unflinched by pot holes and sleeping policeman

Every time I used the loud pedal it caused me to have fits of laughter (i dont get to drive V12 ferrari), but a couple of seconds of gas at 80 will put the speedo north of 120 ...

I love the engine and think its the best looking RS ever (even better than my B5) but a few things put me off, 13mgp for one, initial depreciation high enough to buy a M235i, its huge over spilling my parking space in both directions, the ride is far to soft and comfortable for me, but the biggest problem I had was not being able to find any deals, M5s can be leased for nearly half the monthly on the RS6 frown

and anyone who spends 6.5 grand on a audio upgrade on a car they will change after a couple of years needs there head examined, you could get one hell of a home cinema setup for less


looks an absolute beast in dark met blue






Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Thursday 28th August 14:37
Love the look of that car, to my eyes, massively more attractive than the battleship grey of Chris' car. - way out of my price range regardless, but maybe something to consider in 10 years time! smile

alock

4,224 posts

210 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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Max_Torque said:
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Do you need to embed a 6MB image in a forum post?

Clivey

5,108 posts

203 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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Dave Hedgehog said:
looks an absolute beast in dark met blue

Yes it does. lick

Audi had loads of these at Le Mans and it was a nice change to see some actual colours on display (red looks good on them too). I'm not a fan of the grey...looks like primer.

The problem though with pretty much all "premium" cars these days is that they're so overly complicated that they'll be ruinous to one's wallet once out of warranty...and the tech looks naff as it ages. The more simple cars of the 80s and 90s have a timeless appeal but I don't think we'll see many of these in 20-30 years' time. - Pretty much all will have been scrapped.

Fastdruid

8,623 posts

151 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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I must admit to having the same super or not dilemma with my (admittedly rather slower) turbo estate.

Still trying to work out if the extra mpg gains make up for the extra cost and if not is it worth the extra to gain 14 more hp?

Back on the subject of the RS6 I personally don't see the point in a big superfast load carrier costing 80k+. You're not going to want to stick say a washing machine in the back or fill it with garden rubbish to take to the tip! Hell I worry about getting my estate that messy and it me cost <8% of the RS6 cost!

I know someone who bought one and got the RS6 specifically so he had a nice big boot and could take his dog to the park. So far the dog's never been in it and he's taken the dog out in his mums golf...

DoubleSix

11,691 posts

175 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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You know when people rail against something popular, just because it's popular and therefore you don't want to be popular because you're cool and cool people don't follow the crowd.

That is, I believe, what is happening with Chris' continual knocking of tinted glass.



Edited by DoubleSix on Thursday 28th August 15:16

Adrian E

3,248 posts

175 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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I don't object to hearse tints on an estate - after all they're often family transport so cooking your nearest and dearest isn't generally the done thing - but on some cars with small glass areas towards the C pillars it just looks a bit daft. Specifically didn't want a 'Black Edition' Sportback for that reason and I can see similarly tiny rear 3/4 glass on the '6 but not seen them in the wild to judge.

sagarich

1,210 posts

148 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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In a couple of months, I would love to see a "Living with an Audi RS6 Avant" on Drive+.

In a similar vein to the FF video, its great to see a different perspective from the normal, jump in, quick review, initial thoughts test.

Make it happen CH.


anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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alock said:
Max_Torque said:
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Do you need to embed a 6MB image in a forum post?
Are you stuck in 1998 on 56k dial up?? ;-)

And besides, being of Germanic origin, i should really have used this image:




note one of those pesky, smokey turbo diesels trying to nip up the inside of Harris's cruiser!!

yellowbentines

5,296 posts

206 months

Thursday 28th August 2014
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A £77k car that doesn't have heated seats or phone preparation as standard?!

The colour suits it well, as it does seem like quite a dull way to spend £100k on a car.