Old bugger vs complicated dashboard controls

Old bugger vs complicated dashboard controls

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Fastdruid

8,650 posts

153 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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gottans said:
Just wait till they start putting a windows os in the car, the blue screen of death might really live up to its name.
They do, or at least did, Ford used it (Microsoft SYNC). Dropped for being too slow and hard to use and I believe they are moving to QNX based.

M4cruiser

3,657 posts

151 months

Friday 20th April 2018
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I was about to start a new thread when I found this one. The loss of tactile & visual information from the position of the controls seems to be getting worse. I first noticed it on indicator stalks (Vauxhall, BMW).

It really is so useful to know what the indicator bulb is doing from the position of the stalk; and when it self-cancels a moving stalk will alert you earlier than a non-moving one.

The same is now true for wiper controls, main-beam/dipswitch stalks, and even worse - gear levers, particularly hybrids, but also premium brand auto selectors in non-hybrids. Actually the dip-switch problem one has been around for several decades (e.g. the VW camper from 1969).

Are there any other examples?

Will the manufacturers take any notice?



crankedup

25,764 posts

244 months

Friday 20th April 2018
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No engine oil dipstick on my BMW, having to ponce around with a crap OBC just to check my engine oil level I find a complete pita. I much prefer to dip the engine oil see the level and state of the oil.

Mr Tidy

22,420 posts

128 months

Saturday 21st April 2018
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crankedup said:
No engine oil dipstick on my BMW, having to ponce around with a crap OBC just to check my engine oil level I find a complete pita. I much prefer to dip the engine oil see the level and state of the oil.
Yes, who thought that was a good idea?

Neither of my current ones has a dip-stick.

The E46 I recently sold had a dip-stick and a low level warning light just in case - that has to be a better set-up. banghead

GIYess

1,324 posts

102 months

Monday 23rd April 2018
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M4cruiser said:
I'm with you on this. The tekkies who design these things don't understand ergonomics.

Same goes for stupid round knobs for automatic gear selectors, push (or pull) button handbrakes, and the worst "improvement" of them all - the centralising indicator stalk on the Astra (and other Vauxhalls).

They are all technical solutions where there wasn't a problem in the first place.
Believe it or not this is the feature I most miss from my old Vectra!

captain_cynic

12,063 posts

96 months

Monday 23rd April 2018
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M4cruiser said:
I was about to start a new thread when I found this one. The loss of tactile & visual information from the position of the controls seems to be getting worse. I first noticed it on indicator stalks (Vauxhall, BMW).

It really is so useful to know what the indicator bulb is doing from the position of the stalk; and when it self-cancels a moving stalk will alert you earlier than a non-moving one.

The same is now true for wiper controls, main-beam/dipswitch stalks, and even worse - gear levers, particularly hybrids, but also premium brand auto selectors in non-hybrids. Actually the dip-switch problem one has been around for several decades (e.g. the VW camper from 1969).

Are there any other examples?

Will the manufacturers take any notice?
BMW have actually gotten better. The 2014 2 series I rented in the US back in 2015 had a terrible indicator stalk that would always spring back to centre no matter what (BMW indicators have the 3 click setting before going on full). However in my 17 plate 2 series, if you go for the 3 flash setting it'll spring back but if you want it on full, it wont so you get the tactile feedback from that.

I think some manufacturers are getting it. However a few (*cough* Audi, Tesla *cough*) think that more toys == more advanced. Sadly the auto press and mouth breathing masses think that interiors that maintain tactile switches and controls are "dated" and the manufacturers are happy to cater to them. Certainly this word has been used to refer to the interior 2 series simply because they maintain a lot of actual dials and switches rather than shoving the headlight functions down some obscure Idrive menu.

I do agree about the lack of a dipstick in the B58. Some will argue it's not needed but I cant see what is to be lost by not including it. You can have the sensors as well as the dipstick.

Lester H

2,742 posts

106 months

Thursday 26th April 2018
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A family friend and posh old duffer (no, not me,honest) fancied a new Honda Civic. Well, it’s an improvement on a Jazz. However, to get the plush level of trim and the seats he wanted, he had to go for the Civic R. Three weeks later, the courtesy call came from Honda Reading: are you happy with the car? The response “ It’s wonderful, but I can’t switch the radio on” .

rxe

6,700 posts

104 months

Thursday 26th April 2018
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If you drive a series of cars from the same manufacturer you can see the increasing complexity creeping in.

Alfa 156 - knob for temperature, knob for fan, knob for direction. Very, very easy, you can make the winsdcreen demist without your eyes leaving the road.

Alfa 159 - dual zone (what the hell is the point of dual zone?), loads of little buttons, you need to look at the bottom of the centre of the dash to change the fan speed

Giulia - tiny little obscured buttons with funny little arrows. You need to look at the bottom of the dash and put reading glasses on to see them.


alpha channel

1,387 posts

163 months

Friday 27th April 2018
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rxe said:
If you drive a series of cars from the same manufacturer you can see the increasing complexity creeping in.

Alfa 159 - dual zone (what the hell is the point of dual zone?), loads of little buttons, you need to look at the bottom of the centre of the dash to change the fan speed
Bonus points for putting the controls in just the right position to be blocked by the sodding gear stick as well.

M4cruiser

3,657 posts

151 months

Friday 11th May 2018
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Mr Tidy said:
crankedup said:
No engine oil dipstick on my BMW, having to ponce around with a crap OBC just to check my engine oil level I find a complete pita. I much prefer to dip the engine oil see the level and state of the oil.
Yes, who thought that was a good idea?

Neither of my current ones has a dip-stick.

The E46 I recently sold had a dip-stick and a low level warning light just in case - that has to be a better set-up. banghead
... found this at the weekend on my daughter's car: so if they are going to put a dipstick in, then at least make it one that doesn't break off inside the engine! Old and new pictured:-



podwin

652 posts

203 months

Friday 11th May 2018
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This is why I am starting to consider a Dacia, they have simple controls.

I can adjust fan speed and heat etc without even looking (and keep my eyes on the road) because I can feel the controls.

Screen look good in the dash, but they aren't actually an improvement to use.

Rosewood Red

857 posts

154 months

Friday 11th May 2018
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I noticed this thread is from 2014, but WTH, I'll bite.

I much prefer the rotary controls for the HVAC on my Polo than the buttons on the Boxster - hard to use the latter on the move without looking at them. I'm the same with stereos. Knob for the volume and to change tracks / stations - none of this touchscreen nonsense please (My old cars don't have steering wheel controls).