RE: Noble M600 - onward and upward

RE: Noble M600 - onward and upward

Monday 1st September 2014

Noble M600 - onward and upward

Where's Noble at with the M600? A happy place, according to MD Pete Boutwood talking exclusively to PH



You showed a rendering of an M600 roadster a couple of years ago, now we hear that you're about to launch one...
"It's a bit premature at the moment. We're going to start building a prototype, yes - just to see how it works really. When we first mooted the idea [with the rendered image] it was pretty popular, but now we've broken into China and Taiwan and the Far East, there's a different demand.

"We're lucky the construction of our car is chassis based, so therefore a convertible is a lot easier for us. It's a pretty simple thing because the bodywork is merely a coat over a frame, so losing the roof shouldn't alter the handling or rigidity at all. Most convertibles end up heavier, but I don't think ours will."

M600 is selling solidly in Asia and UK
M600 is selling solidly in Asia and UK
So what sort of roof mechanism will it have?
"A simple one! Non-power operated, but not fabric. I don't think that would be in keeping with the brand. I think it will be a similar set-up to the Aventador, a carbon targa top of sorts that you can carry with you."

And you're also planning an automated gearbox?
"One of the other interesting things about the markets we're in, especially Taiwan, is they definitely want paddleshifts. They just don't get on with manuals. It's not our normal ethos, it's fair to say, but we have to go where the market swings."

So will it be single clutch, dual clutch or torque converter?
"We're not changing the base transmission. We're using Graziano still, and we've got a car in Italy at the moment having the software done. We're using their recommendations on how to automate it, so it won't be a dual clutch. But you will get a proper paddleshift with an automatic change if wanted."

Expect to see a roadster next Spring
Expect to see a roadster next Spring
What are the timescales?
"We should have a working paddleshift gearbox in about six weeks. Our priority will still be the manual, but we're not the taste police - and it's worth mentioning that none of the other supercars even offer a manual 'box these days.

"As for the cabriolet, we were aiming for Geneva next year, but unfortunately the show is now full. But that's still the timescale we're looking at, so around March. We'll just find somewhere else to launch it - and it will be a prototype.

It sounds like you're selling more cars in the Far East than back home these days...
"The weird thing is we've never really gone into Europe. We're looking at that at the moment, but almost all our sales have been UK and Far East. That wasn't a deliberate plan, but we seem to be popular in Asia because we're lesser known and rarer and people want something a bit more exclusive. But all markets are open to us apart from the USA."

Boss Boutwood confirms automated gearbox
Boss Boutwood confirms automated gearbox
How many workers do you have now - and how many cars are you producing?
"15 employees across the board. Obviously at some point we're going to up production, especially if we do another model. In terms of production you'll have to forgive me, but we never give out actual figures. The only reason is that people keep saying "how long is your waiting list?" and if you say too long then people don't want to order, and if you say too short then people think there's something wrong with the car. So we keep all that information to ourselves; let's say that we're building all the time - we've got two cars here at the moment waiting to go to China and we're building another for the UK. There's an order book."

And are you planning to grow the range beyond the roadster and the paddleshift?
"We've got other ideas in the pipeline, which we'll obviously keep to ourselves at the moment. One thing at a time - we saw what happened to Lotus when they decided to do five. We're a tiny company, the car is popular and we're selling as many as we can make. When people say it's time for a new model my response is that our car is more like Morgan than Porsche in terms of ethos - we don't need to be changing the looks. It's not a fashion statement, it's a driving statement."

M600's structure ideal for roadster
M600's structure ideal for roadster
So does this new direction mean we'll also see things like ABS and stability control coming to the range?
"That we're softening up? Hardly. We do have traction as you know, but you can suspend it totally and it takes everything off - that's how I normally drive it. Unless we're made to by Europe I really don't want ABS, sometimes people say we can't afford to do it, but it's not that at all. We don't do it because we think our brakes work really well, you can cadence brake with them. It's part of the analogue experience.

"What I can say - which is a really interesting fact - is that we've now sold quite a few cars and not one of them has ever been sold secondhand. Of every one of our owners no one's ever sold one on - I'm really proud of that. That shows that they're happy."

And remind us again how much the M600 coupe is?
"In the UK the M600 is £230,000 for painted and £270,000 for exposed carbon. It's a bit of a bargain still, but it won't be forever. When we launched it we had to establish it at a price that would be acceptable from where we were - from the M12 and M400 it was a huge leap. And it could have been a bigger leap, but we wanted to get it out there. As ridiculous as it might sound for a quarter of a million pound car, it's a bit of a bargain in relative terms."

 

   
   
   
   
   
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Frimley111R

Original Poster:

15,608 posts

234 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Good to hear all is well with Noble, although comparing themselves to Lotus might be a premature smile

Foggy748

318 posts

160 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Wonderful wonderful car....I'll take two please! smile

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

246 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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"I really don't want ABS, sometimes people say we can't afford to do it, but it's not that at all. We don't do it because we think our brakes work really well, you can cadence brake with them. It's part of the analogue experience."

Hmmmm.

Presumably skidding straight to the scene of the accident is also part of "the analogue experience"!

possibletowel

65 posts

147 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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"you can cadence brake with them" beer

Decoy

82 posts

176 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Would be interested to know how many M600s have been sold?

MikeGoodwin

3,335 posts

117 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Gotta say if I were looking for a £230k car Id be right in there with Noble. Think Ive seen one in my life.

vincegail

2,463 posts

155 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Still nr. 1 on the Euromillions list biggrin

King Steffy

64 posts

137 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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I've got to say, in relative terms, some cars out there are bargains...
The Carrera GT is one hell of a bargain if you consider what you get & is an Enzo worth 2 to 3 times the Porsche really ? I exclude SLR as much as I like it, the interior is no supercar.
Then there's the Noble M600...It is truly stunning inside (full alcantara)& outside in gulf blue paintwork...
In Roadster form, it just will be the dogs,cats & all other bks !.
Beyond amazing...

toppstuff

13,698 posts

247 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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They are epic cars.

I am a big fan.

Rude

227 posts

221 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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I love the principle of these (as M12 etc) though I have always wondered if the styling is holding them back. Functional is great and goes to the ethos of the machine, but economically I wonder if more outlandish styling would open up more of the sub-Pagani £££. I guess this comes from never having seen one in the carbon.

While a blessing for owners that flash boys don't have them, I would be very sad if this under-the-radar also went to make the business less sustainable. It sounds from the article though that this is not currently an issue so long may this continue.

Adrian W

13,857 posts

228 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Ozzie Osmond said:
"I really don't want ABS, sometimes people say we can't afford to do it, but it's not that at all. We don't do it because we think our brakes work really well, you can cadence brake with them. It's part of the analogue experience."

Hmmmm.

Presumably skidding straight to the scene of the accident is also part of "the analogue experience"!
Driving lessons might be!

articulatedj

102 posts

121 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Rude said:
I love the principle of these (as M12 etc) though I have always wondered if the styling is holding them back. Functional is great and goes to the ethos of the machine, but economically I wonder if more outlandish styling would open up more of the sub-Pagani £££. I guess this comes from never having seen one in the carbon.

While a blessing for owners that flash boys don't have them, I would be very sad if this under-the-radar also went to make the business less sustainable. It sounds from the article though that this is not currently an issue so long may this continue.
I agree that the styling is holding them back. I would think they would consider a refresh, given that it just means swapping panels over the base frame. It doesn't look bad, but to my eye, the fender flares would look great if they were boxed or better integrated.

Regardless, it's the supercar I'd want, without question. The manual, the light weight, the small size - it all matches my idea of ultimate car. The CGT might top it if I had infinite dollars for maintenance, but in any realistic dream car scenario, the Noble is a perfect fit.

After all, the Noble is basically a better F40 in every way but the looks.

Edited by articulatedj on Monday 1st September 14:57

scarble

5,277 posts

157 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Ozzie Osmond said:
Hmmmm.

Presumably skidding straight to the scene of the accident is also part of "the analogue experience"!
see
possibletowel said:
"you can cadence brake with them" beer
Just because you can't do it, don't assume everyone can't.

As for the styling, it looks fantastic, what are you lot talking about?

Burnham

3,668 posts

259 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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I like the cut of this guys jib, and the company as a whole. They should feel proud for what they have achieved and its good to hear they wont be straying too far from their current path.

ftrigger

78 posts

124 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Cadence braking is great and all that, but ABS will nearly always give you superior braking since it can be applied to wheels independently so you can use the grip you have optimally - a single pedal will never allow you to do that.
I'm not a fan of car nany technology but ABS is one thing that I find a bit daft not to have on a modern car, unless it's only for the track

eliotrw

302 posts

169 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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I would deffo have this on my list of 15 or so cars with a 80 mil euro win.

SturdyHSV

10,093 posts

167 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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ftrigger said:
Throttle control is great and all that, but traction control will nearly always give you superior acceleration since it can be applied to wheels independently so you can use the grip you have optimally - a single pedal will never allow you to do that.
I'm not a fan of car nany technology but traction control is one thing that I find a bit daft not to have on a modern car, unless it's only for the track
Same rule sort of applies really tongue out

Although naturally TC isn't normally as applicable to emergency situations hehe

justboxsters

135 posts

166 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Why did they stop making the cheap nobles? Big shame for the "every-man"....

chris watton

22,477 posts

260 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Cripes, how much!

I remember when these use to be viable alternatives to TVR's, being more or less in the same price bracket!

NDNDNDND

2,016 posts

183 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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I saw one of these in exposed Carbon Fibre at Le Mans Classic. It looked fabulous. I'll never afford any modern supercar, but this is the only one I lust after. Pity to see the market forcing him to adopt an automatic transmission, but I guess even supercars are rarely bought by car enthusiasts...