RE: Noble M600 - onward and upward
Discussion
daytona365 said:
Ok, it looks pretty and it really shifts, and to be honest I wouldn't mind one at all....But, does it have any real pedigree or competition history like most of it's errr competition ?
why does that matter?does pedigree make a car faster or handle better?
what is paganis pedigree
But does any car really have pedigree and history?
Most modern supercars don't see pedigree or history because they are clean sheet designs each time.
The manufacturer may have pedigree, but how much of that is relevant for road cars is another thing... when they are ultimately aiming at wealthy wide demographics, not racing drivers needs to win races, or narrow focus road-car demographics who want something quite specific and focussed... or collectors.
And in the world of racing everyone consults any way, so if Noble are consulting with racing consultants along the way, then there is your pedigree.
Dave
Most modern supercars don't see pedigree or history because they are clean sheet designs each time.
The manufacturer may have pedigree, but how much of that is relevant for road cars is another thing... when they are ultimately aiming at wealthy wide demographics, not racing drivers needs to win races, or narrow focus road-car demographics who want something quite specific and focussed... or collectors.
And in the world of racing everyone consults any way, so if Noble are consulting with racing consultants along the way, then there is your pedigree.
Dave
Pesty said:
daytona365 said:
So, to sum up. What we have here is a quarter million pound hot rod ?.....Pretty though, I must admit.
no the exact opposite. it isn't just a straight line car ( thats what i understand a hot rod to be). its handling, grip and traction are imminence.Either a troll or simply ignorant, I can't decide.
daytona365 said:
Ok, it looks pretty and it really shifts, and to be honest I wouldn't mind one at all....But, does it have any real pedigree or competition history like most of it's errr competition ?
I think that is a rather ignorant statement.After all, Lamborghini has no competition heritage to speak of. Neither has Zonda. The M600 can hold its head eye comfortably in such company.
Frankly, anyone knocking the M600 simply has never been near one. Opinions on the car are worthless unless they are backed up by some experience or exposure to the car.
By all means, look closely at one, talk to the factory and then form an opinion that you don't like it ( which is highly unlikely IMO) but the Noble deserves a lot more than an armchair internet uninformed opinion.
This is a car with great integrity made by people who care.
toppstuff said:
I think that is a rather ignorant statement.
After all, Lamborghini has no competition heritage to speak of. Neither has Zonda. The M600 can hold its head eye comfortably in such company.
Frankly, anyone knocking the M600 simply has never been near one. Opinions on the car are worthless unless they are backed up by some experience or exposure to the car.
By all means, look closely at one, talk to the factory and then form an opinion that you don't like it ( which is highly unlikely IMO) but the Noble deserves a lot more than an armchair internet uninformed opinion.
This is a car with great integrity made by people who care.
Great post.After all, Lamborghini has no competition heritage to speak of. Neither has Zonda. The M600 can hold its head eye comfortably in such company.
Frankly, anyone knocking the M600 simply has never been near one. Opinions on the car are worthless unless they are backed up by some experience or exposure to the car.
By all means, look closely at one, talk to the factory and then form an opinion that you don't like it ( which is highly unlikely IMO) but the Noble deserves a lot more than an armchair internet uninformed opinion.
This is a car with great integrity made by people who care.
Huge irony that the thread has died a death since the factory politely came on the thread (first time ever on PH I believe), and put a few myths to rest.
You would have thought all the internet know-it-alls would have had a million questions for them.
sjc said:
Great post.
Huge irony that the thread has died a death since the factory politely came on the thread (first time ever on PH I believe), and put a few myths to rest.
You would have thought all the internet know-it-alls would have had a million questions for them.
Yep the factory was all but ignored!!!Huge irony that the thread has died a death since the factory politely came on the thread (first time ever on PH I believe), and put a few myths to rest.
You would have thought all the internet know-it-alls would have had a million questions for them.
Would love to take them up on the offer of a factory tour but suspect it would be some what awkward.
"Mr Orange if you come this way you can see..."
Me drooling by the cars going oooh... mmmm... and making pretend engine noises.
Me: "Can I take one on a pan-European trip. Just a long weekend to really get to grips with one?"
Noble: "Err no."
Me: "Obviously I'm never going to buy one as I don't have the money but please?"
Noble: "No sorry sir we cannot allow that."
Me: "Pleeeease....."
Noble: "Sir can you leave now this is rather awkward and we regret asking you to come along".
Martin_Hx said:
The video around "the ring" was a good watch, Mr Harris driving i think?
Fearsome: Noble M600 and Atom V8 at the Nurburgring - /CHRIS HARRIS ON CARSMartin_Hx said:
I've always liked this and the first one, they hold their value very well!
The M10? I've seen one once. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_M10
Ozzie Osmond said:
Let's hope they can sell some as well!
I'm sure a couple of wealthies will buy these "just to be different" but whether that's a real market or simply the emperor's new clothes only time will tell.
Thats the complete opposite of the market they are going for.The only people who will buy them are wealthy car enthusiasts, not wealthy people, borne out by the fact that not one has come out on the secondhand market since launch.I'm sure a couple of wealthies will buy these "just to be different" but whether that's a real market or simply the emperor's new clothes only time will tell.
The M600 might not have any racing pedigree but it's got road pedigree by the boat load !!!! The M12 when released was widely acclaimed as one of the best super cars of its day and today they are still very much in demand !!
Noble M12's currently race in both GT cup and Time Attack with great success and you never know you might see a M600 Racing in the future !!!
Best of all it's British !!
Noble M12's currently race in both GT cup and Time Attack with great success and you never know you might see a M600 Racing in the future !!!
Best of all it's British !!
carl_w said:
Martin_Hx said:
I've always liked this and the first one, they hold their value very well!
The M10? I've seen one once. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_M10
sjc said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
Let's hope they can sell some as well!
I'm sure a couple of wealthies will buy these "just to be different" but whether that's a real market or simply the emperor's new clothes only time will tell.
Thats the complete opposite of the market they are going for.The only people who will buy them are wealthy car enthusiasts, not wealthy people, borne out by the fact that not one has come out on the secondhand market since launch.I'm sure a couple of wealthies will buy these "just to be different" but whether that's a real market or simply the emperor's new clothes only time will tell.
The Noble business model is unusual. It is optimised for tiny levels of production using outsourcing and with a small assembly staff. Technology is tried and tested. Quality levels expected from suppliers is high and this is passed on to the customer, which is why the car is 250k or so.
They are selling as many as they want to. They could sell some more, but scaling up production significantly would create more risks than opportunities and I don't think they want to do that.
sjc said:
Great post.
Huge irony that the thread has died a death since the factory politely came on the thread (first time ever on PH I believe), and put a few myths to rest.
You would have thought all the internet know-it-alls would have had a million questions for them.
It seems to be more official PH car threads these days. See the number of articles from PH that die within a few pages. There seems to be very little interest in posting replies to them for some reason.Huge irony that the thread has died a death since the factory politely came on the thread (first time ever on PH I believe), and put a few myths to rest.
You would have thought all the internet know-it-alls would have had a million questions for them.
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