"Motorists have ruined England"

[heebeegeetee]

Dog Star said:

Jesus! What a crock of st that article is! London London LONDON!!!! fk OFFFFFFFFFF! I don't live in London!

Cyclists "make no imposition" on other road users?!? What the actual fk?!? Apart from having acres of road space turned over to their self righteous selves, holding up traffic endlessly and then pushing back in front again at every set of lights and holding everyone up again - fk OFFFFFFF!

Surely this is the time of year when you can not avoid expereincing for yourself that you're talking a bag of st?

The kids are going back to school - driving to work has been a pleasure this past few weeks but now it has returned to being a grind and is taking 20-30 mins longer, at both ends of the day.

How on earth do cyclist cause congestion that relates to *anything* like this? How on earth do motorists who have eyes connected to at least two brain cells ever come to the conclusion that cyclists (or anyone else) cause any congestion worth talking about.

The OP is right - cyclists cause no imposition on anybody that is really worth talking about.

And why would anyone find it strange that road users have acres of road space turned over to them?

[Graham]

oh look someone from london writes bks about a transport solution that only applies to london and tries to push it on the rest of the country.

[MADRod]

There was me thinking the last Labour goverment had ruined England now i read its the Motorists.

[robinessex]

He knows all the answers, just doesn't understand the question. And can we now have a new topic entitled 'Politicians have ruined the country'.

Edited by robinessex on Tuesday 2nd September 16:41

[DonkeyApple]

Clivey said:

If people maintained cars properly, there would be less reason for them to buy new / swap. - I can think of several friends and acquaintances who change because they've abused & neglected their previous car to the point where it's an unreliable heap. One idiot that seems to always drive around with several lights out recently complained to me that his car had started making noises. When I checked the oil (only did it as I knew it'd make me laugh), it was below the MIN marker on the dipstick. He was surprised at this because apparently he'd already put a litre in that day! The latest is that he kept driving on bald tyres (cord visible) until he had a blowout.

I think it's fIr to say that if people weren't able to pay in easy monthly instalments using money from Asia against future earnings but saved up to buy the car themselves they would look after them better. All easy money does is create wastage and inefficiency.

[Pan Pan]

DonkeyApple said:

Pan Pan said:

many years ago people realized that if they jumped on the back of a horse, they could get to other places they needed to be, which were much further away, far quicker, and with far less effort, than walking or running. So people switched to riding on horses or in horse drawn vehicles.
Then they discovered that if they got on one of those new fangled train things, they could get to other places even further away, and faster, and with much more comfort than if they stayed on teh back of a horse. So the majority of the mobile public switched to trains. (although some believed that they would die if it went faster than 30 mph!)
Then along came motor vehicles where people discovered they could get to places where buses and trains didn't go in even more comfort, and go where, and when `they' wanted to go, so the majority switched to cars.

Only when a form of transport which is `actually' better than a car for `most' people is devised, or a way is found to allow people to avoid travelling when they don't have to is discovered, will they switch to the new system.
Currently no such better way of travelling, (or avoiding the need for travel) has been found.

People only ever had a horse as they couldn't afford broadband or a mobile phone.

How many actual tasks are left in the West that couldn't be done in your day to day life without an Internet connection and telephone?

Our roads are full of people going to buy things they don't need that they could have delivered and people selling things no one needs that they could do over the phone.

The average two way commute in the UK is 8.6 miles.

Try building a ship or airplane by phone. try treating a seriously ill patient by phone, Try making bricks by phone. Even if all these things `could' be done by phone (which of course they cannot), there would still be the need for actual transport to supply teh raw materials / goods etc.
Try telling people they cannot move more than a few miles from where they were born for their entire lives. Best get some teal transport fast, otherwise you are likely to get seriously modified in the face department if they catch you.

[DonkeyApple]

robinessex said:

He knows all the answers, just doesn't understand the question. And can we now have a new topic entitled 'Politicians have ruined the country'.

Edited by robinessex on Tuesday 2nd September 16:41

Have they? Or have all the people lapping up short term easy fixes and not wanting to do anything themselves ruined it?

[SteveSteveson]

heebeegeetee said:

The OP is right - cyclists cause no imposition on anybody that is really worth talking about.

Yes they do. They bloody annoy me when I'm cycling. First 12 miles of my commute are out town A roads and I fly along at a steady 18-19mph. Hit town with its traffic lights, crossings, congestion and other delays and I spend half my time behind some wobbly idiots who end up wobbling past every time I stop of a light or turning car, only for me to have to then sit behind them looking for a safe space to put the hammer down and get past, or follow them at 10mph. Light jumpers annoy me more on my bike than in the car, even more so the idiots who jump on and off the pavement without looking.

Sorry... Rant over. Bad commute this morning.

DonkeyApple said:

How many actual tasks are left in the West that couldn't be done in your day to day life without an Internet connection and telephone?

Unfortunately people are social animals. Most people dislike working from home, and teams just don't work when they are not in an office together. As much as people would like it most business, even wholly office based work, can't be done by people working from home full time. That is assuming you have space to work from home, which thanks to the tiny size of UK houses most people don't have the space to set up a home office.

Edited by SteveSteveson on Tuesday 2nd September 16:52

[Hol]

heebeegeetee said:

Dog Star said:

Jesus! What a crock of st that article is! London London LONDON!!!! fk OFFFFFFFFFF! I don't live in London!

Cyclists "make no imposition" on other road users?!? What the actual fk?!? Apart from having acres of road space turned over to their self righteous selves, holding up traffic endlessly and then pushing back in front again at every set of lights and holding everyone up again - fk OFFFFFFF!

Surely this is the time of year when you can not avoid expereincing for yourself that you're talking a bag of st?

The kids are going back to school - driving to work has been a pleasure this past few weeks but now it has returned to being a grind and is taking 20-30 mins longer, at both ends of the day.

How on earth do cyclist cause congestion that relates to *anything* like this? How on earth do motorists who have eyes connected to at least two brain cells ever come to the conclusion that cyclists (or anyone else) cause any congestion worth talking about.

The OP is right - cyclists cause no imposition on anybody that is really worth talking about.

And why would anyone find it strange that road users have acres of road space turned over to them?

He is obviously taking about that small minority of cyclists that dont seem to come on Pistonheads (all of whom act impeccably on the road and always look behind them and give way to other road users when it is obviously dangerous not to do so).

[ohHello]

DonkeyApple said:

the car is the perfect solution and superior to all other options

Well that rather depends. I'd argue that in most urban areas, a bicycle will be quicker for most journeys up to 10 miles or so. Certainly for my commute, it is significantly quicker and much less stressful to cycle. So we don't necessarily need to reduce the amount of car ownership, simply make less congesting and more efficient options like cycling a real option for the people that want to do it.

I'd add that building more roads as a solution to congestion is like buying bigger trousers as a solution to obesity.

[DonkeyApple]

SteveSteveson said:

Unfortunately people are social animals. Most people dislike working from home, and teams just don't work when they are not in an office together. As much as people would like it most business, even wholly office based work, can't be done by people working from home full time. That is assuming you have space to work from home, which thanks to the tiny size of UK houses most people don't have the space to set up a home office.

Edited by SteveSteveson on Tuesday 2nd September 16:52

Agree but I wasn't suggesting working from home. The solution that business would gravitate to if employees couldn't afford to commute would be to break down the business into localised operations. The obvious split being departmental.

As we've seen in London, as space is so expensive, various departments are moved to regional centres where space is cheaper and there is still a great pool of labour available, if not superior.

At the same time, the GoreTex case study shows that a large business run as separate remote operations is actually more efficient/productive than shoehorning the whole business into one space.

This also has the added benefit of boosting regions and regenerating social cohesion. Dormitory towns are not socially beneficial. For the same reason that you state that we like working in groups for social benefit so we also like living and socialising in community groups.

Increased artificial wealth has allowed people to commute further so has allowed business to agglomerate. Dissipating business to create more even regional spreads and reduce commute distances is hugely beneficial to society.

[DonkeyApple]

ohHello said:

DonkeyApple said:

the car is the perfect solution and superior to all other options

Well that rather depends. I'd argue that in most urban areas, a bicycle will be quicker for most journeys up to 10 miles or so. Certainly for my commute, it is significantly quicker and much less stressful to cycle. So we don't necessarily need to reduce the amount of car ownership, simply make less congesting and more efficient options like cycling a real option for the people that want to do it.

I'd add that building more roads as a solution to congestion is like buying bigger trousers as a solution to obesity.

You only have to look around the world to appreciate that people only ride bikes because they can't afford a motorbike and only ride motorbikes because they can't afford a car.

The British are no different. Those choosing to use modes of transport other than the car but with the money to use a car if they wished are making these choices for other reasons.

I agree completely that building more roads is not a solution. It is merely a temporary alleviation.

[J4CKO]

SteveSteveson said:

heebeegeetee said:

The OP is right - cyclists cause no imposition on anybody that is really worth talking about.

Yes they do. They bloody annoy me when I'm cycling. First 12 miles of my commute are out town A roads and I fly along at a steady 18-19mph. Hit town with its traffic lights, crossings, congestion and other delays and I spend half my time behind some wobbly idiots who end up wobbling past every time I stop of a light or turning car, only for me to have to then sit behind them looking for a safe space to put the hammer down and get past, or follow them at 10mph. Light jumpers annoy me more on my bike than in the car, even more so the idiots who jump on and off the pavement without looking.

Sorry... Rant over. Bad commute this morning.

DonkeyApple said:

How many actual tasks are left in the West that couldn't be done in your day to day life without an Internet connection and telephone?

Unfortunately people are social animals. Most people dislike working from home, and teams just don't work when they are not in an office together. As much as people would like it most business, even wholly office based work, can't be done by people working from home full time. That is assuming you have space to work from home, which thanks to the tiny size of UK houses most people don't have the space to set up a home office.

Edited by SteveSteveson on Tuesday 2nd September 16:52

I am wokring from home today, hence why I have to bother you lot.

[sparks_E39]

el stovey said:

Cycle, walk or run.

11 miles just to see a mate?

[Bullett]

TheAngryDog said:

For me, I have a job that requires me to be in the office on health and safety grounds for one. I could work from home easily, but management decide I have to go into the office.

So is it a H&S issue or a management issue?

It's a very old fashioned attitude from management in most cases.

[anonymous-user]

Hol said:

heebeegeetee said:

Dog Star said:

Jesus! What a crock of st that article is! London London LONDON!!!! fk OFFFFFFFFFF! I don't live in London!

Cyclists "make no imposition" on other road users?!? What the actual fk?!? Apart from having acres of road space turned over to their self righteous selves, holding up traffic endlessly and then pushing back in front again at every set of lights and holding everyone up again - fk OFFFFFFF!

Surely this is the time of year when you can not avoid expereincing for yourself that you're talking a bag of st?

The kids are going back to school - driving to work has been a pleasure this past few weeks but now it has returned to being a grind and is taking 20-30 mins longer, at both ends of the day.

How on earth do cyclist cause congestion that relates to *anything* like this? How on earth do motorists who have eyes connected to at least two brain cells ever come to the conclusion that cyclists (or anyone else) cause any congestion worth talking about.

The OP is right - cyclists cause no imposition on anybody that is really worth talking about.

And why would anyone find it strange that road users have acres of road space turned over to them?

He is obviously taking about that small minority of cyclists that dont seem to come on Pistonheads (all of whom act impeccably on the road and always look behind them and give way to other road users when it is obviously dangerous not to do so).

No he's talking st, typical PH type knuckle head. Since when have cyclists 'muscled' cars out of the way 'pushed in' what is he 12yrs old? Always the cyclists fault for everything on this site, never the self important wkers driving, no they're beyond reproach. Good and bad on both sides but only group is going lose if they clash on the road. Anyway back on topic...

[BGarside]

yonex said:

No he's talking st, typical PH type knuckle head. Since when have cyclists 'muscled' cars out of the way 'pushed in' what is he 12yrs old? Always the cyclists fault for everything on this site, never the self important wkers driving, no they're beyond reproach. Good and bad on both sides but only group is going lose if they clash on the road. Anyway back on topic...

Yup have to contend with these morons on a daily basis.

They can't possibly wait literally a few seconds until it is safe to overtake a cyclist. Have to virtually run me off the road to get past, only to spend several minutes stuck in the next traffic jam or waiting at the next set of traffic lights, which they have reached marginally quicker through nearly hitting me.

Arrogant, selfish, ignorant wkers sums them up, and Britain's full of them these days...

[heebeegeetee]

SteveSteveson said:

heebeegeetee said:

The OP is right - cyclists cause no imposition on anybody that is really worth talking about.

Yes they do. They bloody annoy me when I'm cycling. First 12 miles of my commute are out town A roads and I fly along at a steady 18-19mph. Hit town with its traffic lights, crossings, congestion and other delays and I spend half my time behind some wobbly idiots who end up wobbling past every time I stop of a light or turning car, only for me to have to then sit behind them looking for a safe space to put the hammer down and get past, or follow them at 10mph. Light jumpers annoy me more on my bike than in the car, even more so the idiots who jump on and off the pavement without looking.

Sorry... Rant over. Bad commute this morning.

The traffic lights aren't there because of cyclists, but aside from that, why not just jump off your bike and run across the road legally, and then hop on afterwards?

Personally, if there's time to safely run across I'd remain mounted. Hope you're not getting in anyones way while exercising your option to stop though.

[DonkeyApple]

BGarside said:

yonex said:

No he's talking st, typical PH type knuckle head. Since when have cyclists 'muscled' cars out of the way 'pushed in' what is he 12yrs old? Always the cyclists fault for everything on this site, never the self important wkers driving, no they're beyond reproach. Good and bad on both sides but only group is going lose if they clash on the road. Anyway back on topic...

Yup have to contend with these morons on a daily basis.

They can't possibly wait literally a few seconds until it is safe to overtake a cyclist. Have to virtually run me off the road to get past, only to spend several minutes stuck in the next traffic jam or waiting at the next set of traffic lights, which they have reached marginally quicker through nearly hitting me.

Arrogant, selfish, ignorant wkers sums them up, and Britain's full of them these days...

I met one of these dicks at the weekend. In a 3 Series he came flying round a blind, uphill, left hander to find a horse and rider on his side at the apex and me on the other side trundling forward with right of way.

Although he had time and space to stop and let me past and then move out round the rider on the straight he chose to floor it out round the rider and cut back in to miss me.

Because he received the coffee beans he felt he should then turn around and chase after me, razzing passed the rider again.

Very depressing and only saving grace was that he hadn't thought through his options when the car you are harassing down a narrow country lane comes to a very slow stop and the driver slowly gets out. These people are a waste of space.

[Renovation]

DonkeyApple said:

How many actual tasks are left in the West that couldn't be done in your day to day life without an Internet connection and telephone?

All my tasks - I'm a builder

You may be able to carry a ton of materials on your back whilst cycling - I can't.

Nor am I leaving £3k of tools on a job overnight.