Who doesn't like big wheels?

Who doesn't like big wheels?

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juansolo

3,012 posts

278 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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Wills2 said:
juansolo said:
Wills2 said:
You need good damping to go with big wheels Porsche manage it as do BMW on their M cars.

My old 911 and M3's were great on Yorkshire B roads, soaked up the bumps nicely.

Porsche have only managed it recently. Mine is on the smallest wheels that fit because on the big ones it came with it the ride was intolerable.
Can't speak for the older stuff but my 2009 C2S on 19" had a wonderful ride/handling balance, firm of course but never crashy and very well damped.
They started addressing the ride in 2009 funnily enough. The 2009 GenII Caymans ride a LOT better than my 2007 GenI for example. The GenIII is better still, but then it needs to be when the small wheels are 19" and the big ones are 21"...

It's still fixing a problem that need not exist. Wheels should be no bigger than the brakes they surround. I hate seeing air around brakes, it looks horrible and is purely about vanity.

Wills2

22,834 posts

175 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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juansolo said:
Wills2 said:
juansolo said:
Wills2 said:
You need good damping to go with big wheels Porsche manage it as do BMW on their M cars.

My old 911 and M3's were great on Yorkshire B roads, soaked up the bumps nicely.

Porsche have only managed it recently. Mine is on the smallest wheels that fit because on the big ones it came with it the ride was intolerable.
Can't speak for the older stuff but my 2009 C2S on 19" had a wonderful ride/handling balance, firm of course but never crashy and very well damped.
They started addressing the ride in 2009 funnily enough. The 2009 GenII Caymans ride a LOT better than my 2007 GenI for example. The GenIII is better still, but then it needs to be when the small wheels are 19" and the big ones are 21"...

It's still fixing a problem that need not exist. Wheels should be no bigger than the brakes they surround. I hate seeing air around brakes, it looks horrible and is purely about vanity.
Not sure I buy the vanity argument, you could apply that to many things that people buy, your house/clothes/watch all of which need to function but are more satisfying if they're are pleasing on the eye at the same time.

There will always be an element of finding what you buy attractive and there is nothing wrong in that, I'm sure you like the look of your car? Should we think you vain for that?

Oh and you can't get 21" Porsche wheels for the 981/991 gen cars biggest available are 20".

robinessex

11,059 posts

181 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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Just a question, obviously. Has anyone here who has fitted larger dia wheels, with the appropriate low profile tyres, then had the suspension re-tuned to suit. I suspect it would go quite a way to making them more comfortable/acceptable. Of course, eliminating all the bloody pot holes the dam country has would help as well.

monthefish

20,443 posts

231 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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InductionRoar said:
TheEnd said:
HertsBiker said:
I can't stand massive wheels with low profile tyres,
Is there anything modern you do actually like?

Gears are all wrong
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Modern design is horrible
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

I hate technology
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Cars have too much traction electronics
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

There are old cars out there, all you need to do is buy one.
hehe
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Daston

6,075 posts

203 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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robinessex said:
Just a question, obviously. Has anyone here who has fitted larger dia wheels, with the appropriate low profile tyres, then had the suspension re-tuned to suit. I suspect it would go quite a way to making them more comfortable/acceptable. Of course, eliminating all the bloody pot holes the dam country has would help as well.
I went from 17" to 18" wheels on the last Supra, at the same time I had all the shocks changed to fully adjustable ones, ride hight was lowered a little and spring rates adjusted.

Handled much better than it did before and didn't crash over bumps.

8bit

4,867 posts

155 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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HertsBiker said:
TheEnd said:
HertsBiker said:
I can't stand massive wheels with low profile tyres,
Is there anything modern you do actually like?

Gears are all wrong
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Modern design is horrible
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

I hate technology
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Cars have too much traction electronics
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...



There are old cars out there, all you need to do is buy one.
I start threads and try to get people talking. What point are you making with the old car comment? I'm sure there are plenty of things you don't like, should I stalk you and take notes? Try starting some discussions and stop worrying about other people. For the record I've got a comfy car with the right wheels on it now and I stand by my previous comments. Hope that's ok with you, that I've got permission etc. and I've even avoided calling you a knob despite thinking you're being one for writing what you've written. Old cars are cool, but not always for high mileage.
You're not exactly breaking new ground here though, IIRC it's around a week since we last had a thread on this very subject. I'd say that's borderline trolling, personally.

In any case, the idea that a car will ride crap just because it has large wheels is utter nonsense. My XKR has 20" wheels and rides superbly on all but the very worst roads. I had 14 or 15" steels on my old Punto and it rattled and rolled all over the place. Point (or rather points) being, large wheels may well be fine if the suspension is up to the job and the aesthetics are personal taste.

Kawasicki

13,084 posts

235 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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I went from 195/65R14 to 205/55R15 on my car, steering and handling improved, the ride is still fine.

Big wheels rule!

Sheepshanks

32,771 posts

119 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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XJSJohn said:
my pickup has 16" rims and some great big doughnuts for tires wrapped around them, bounces down the road lovely, even with its cart springs at the back!!
We had a Jeep in the US for the last couple of weeks with 16" wheels and 70 profile tyres. The sidewall height just looked insane by UK standards!

Redlake27

2,255 posts

244 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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I've yet to drive a car that was better on bigger diameter wheels (assuming width and therefore tread footprint remain the same).

With the exception of some cars that have enormous brakes, it is just a styling fad. And now we have entire genres of car (SUV) designed around the big wheel, killing off more practical estates and mpvs.

The original Mini and Japanese K cars show that clever design usually involves a small wheel....however we are now conditioned to accept big wheels on the most modest cars.

I've had three cars: (E60 5 series,Alfa 159 and Cayman) where I've downsized from the 19 inch specced by the first owner.

Killer2005

19,644 posts

228 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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IanCress said:
There's an advert in our local paper every week for a new Astra GTC. 1.4T Sport or SRi or some other mildly sporty derivative. It comes with 20" wheels! On an Astra! Wouldn't want to be paying to replace all of them at the same time.
I've seen a few of these around on 20's and they look utterly rediculous. Something smaller would be far more suited to it.

juansolo

3,012 posts

278 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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Wills2 said:
Oh and you can't get 21" Porsche wheels for the 981/991 gen cars biggest available are 20".
My mistake on that, surely only a matter of time though...

Antony Moxey

8,070 posts

219 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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My X-Type had 18s and rubber band tyres, my XF has 17s and higher profile tyres - don't know if it's the wheels/tyres but the difference in comfort is night and day. My business partner had a 330d estate with M-Sport badges all over it and 18s with rubber band tyres - talk about princess and the pea, it's a wonder she didn't need a chiropractor every time she went out in it.

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

261 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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jamieduff1981 said:
Depends on the car.

I like them on sporty saloon type cars. I don't like 22" blingers on a white Range Rover.
This is, err, out then? biggrin



TNH

559 posts

147 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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The trouble is, with cars getting bigger you need to have bigger wheels. Otherwise they look like trolley coasters.

irocfan

40,459 posts

190 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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to be honest I quite like big wheels - as an example.



IMO smaller wheels just wouldn't look right (though I'll agree the rear could do with being a little lower) and ride comfort is fine (as long as I steer past potholes)

rallycross

12,794 posts

237 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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My Integra type R on factory standard 15" wheels with 55 series tyres had a great ride quality, terrific steering and balance, even running on Yokohama A048's on the road the ride was fine (and it really came alive on track, not too much grip).
I also had other DC2's where the previous owners had put larger wheels on (17 and 18" inch) and it spoiled the car in so many ways, poor ride, too much grip, more noise, purely a cosmetic appeal.

jamieduff1981

8,025 posts

140 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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Antony Moxey said:
My X-Type had 18s and rubber band tyres, my XF has 17s and higher profile tyres - don't know if it's the wheels/tyres but the difference in comfort is night and day. My business partner had a 330d estate with M-Sport badges all over it and 18s with rubber band tyres - talk about princess and the pea, it's a wonder she didn't need a chiropractor every time she went out in it.
It has nothing to do with the wheel and tyre size. I own both an X-Type with 18" wheels and 40 profile tyres, an S-Type with 18" wheels and 40 profile tyres and an XF on 20" wheels and 30 profile tyres. I previously had an X-Type on 17" wheels and 45 profile tyres.

The S-Type chassis is simply all-round vastly superior to the X-Type chassis in terms of ride quality. Simple as that. Going from 17" X-Type to 18" S-Type was a massive improvement in ride. The 18" X-Type came after getting used to the S-Type's ride and feels a bit harsh - but I remind myself of how impressed I was with the S-Type's ride I was in the first place that motivated me to change.

The XF is rather stiffly sprung but rides on forged wheels which aren't as heavy as they might be. It's very firm, but not crashy or harsh. But it has adaptive dampers which helps.

HertsBiker

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6,310 posts

271 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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8bit, sorry, I didn't realise there was a similar thread. I watch PH every day and hadn't noticed or I'd have contributed to that. Not trolling. Why'd you say that? I seem to be very misunderstood.

forzaminardi

2,290 posts

187 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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As well as the general assumption of consumer societies that "bigger = better" and allusions to sporting pedigree that is popular in the car market, I think the simple fact of cars getting bigger obliges wheels to get bigger to in order to maintain some visual balance. A performance car from the 80s looks good with smaller wheels because the car itself is not only smaller but of less bulky visual appearance. Market demand, human physiology (look at TV shows from the 1980s, you'll be surprised how slim the average person looks!) and safety regs have obliged cars to be made bigger - and the wheels have to grow to look in proportion.

F1 will be most likely using 18'' wheels from 2017. Partly this is pure marketing, to make the cars visually more relevant to road cars, and partly justified in making F1 technical spec more relevant to road cars and hence encourage deeper involvement by the manufacturers. Not sure it really makes any difference from the average fan's perspective.

Matt Harper

6,618 posts

201 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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