Family allow use of fatal crash video for safety campaign.
Discussion
Mastodon2 said:
A tough watch for any road users, and hopefully grim viewing that would make the myopic, disinterested road users of the UK actually use things like observation, anticipation and judgement. Sadly, I doubt this video, or any of the others, make much of a difference, as few road users like to admit their shortcomings or accept that they could improve their skills - the fact is that most road users think they are up to scratch and wouldn't take 3 minutes to watch this.
FTFYNegative Creep said:
Or maybe remind a few bikers the road is not their own personal racetrack
Perfect driver #1 checking in a presume? Bikers speed, shocking I know, but then again so do car drivers. Just because bikers speed doesn't mean that drivers shouldn't be looking out for them. As above, someone questioning how the driver got a DWDCA, just because another motorist is speeding doesn't mean you don't have to give way to them. Look, look again and make a proper assessment on what you've seen.Mastodon2 said:
Negative Creep said:
Or maybe remind a few bikers the road is not their own personal racetrack
Perfect driver #1 checking in a presume? Bikers speed, shocking I know, but then again so do car drivers. Just because bikers speed doesn't mean that drivers shouldn't be looking out for them. As above, someone questioning how the driver got a DWDCA, just because another motorist is speeding doesn't mean you don't have to give way to them. Look, look again and make a proper assessment on what you've seen.Puddenchucker said:
Sobering viewing.
I know that junction quite well and I'm stuggling to understand how the car driver didn't see the motorbike.
My best guess would be that at some point he'd had a clear unobstructed view of the white car the biker overtakes, decided he had plenty of time to make his right turn, and had carried on focusing on the car and consequently didn't noticing the overtaking bike.I know that junction quite well and I'm stuggling to understand how the car driver didn't see the motorbike.
The driver pleaded guilty. I wonder if he had lied and said he'd seen the bike but thought it was travelling much more slowly if he would have been convicted.
Brave move by the family to release the video, lets hope it makes some people think.
slipstream 1985 said:
speeding biker who has just passed a car blends in as one instead of a bike infront of a car.
The car driver admitted to not having seen either the bike, or the car behind it. If he was going slower, the car still would've pulled out in front of him - but he might of had more chance to avoid it. Looking at the road layout it looks unlikely though (instinctively went left, either hit the car or a traffic island).In my opinion it really makes no difference as to who's fault it was. Whats done is done and the poor bloke is no longer with us. Ive only been motorcycling for four weeks now and I find that video pretty disturbing. I will now take extra care when out and about. I give my condolences to his family.
In my opinion it really makes no difference as to who's fault it was. Whats done is done and the poor bloke is no longer with us. Ive only been motorcycling for four weeks now and I find that video pretty disturbing. I will now take extra care when out and about. I give my condolences to his family.
As much as I'm saddened by the death of another biker, I can't see with whom the blames lies here, and I have no sympathy for either party.
If he was travelling at 97mph, the driver wouldn't necessarily have realised. One glance and they may have seen the bike, and automatically assumed they had time (judging by 60 mph they are expecting it to close at).
On the other hand, the driver should have been more aware.
Probably equally at fault, but seriously f
king sobering to watch...
Maybe I'll just buy a Harley and cruise at 15mph. When it works....
If he was travelling at 97mph, the driver wouldn't necessarily have realised. One glance and they may have seen the bike, and automatically assumed they had time (judging by 60 mph they are expecting it to close at).
On the other hand, the driver should have been more aware.
Probably equally at fault, but seriously f
king sobering to watch...Maybe I'll just buy a Harley and cruise at 15mph. When it works....
I gona get flamed here but I just can't understand why the motorist is getting such a hard time here, is it reasonable to expect someone to be doing 100mph at a junction! Really!
Imagine for a moment it it was a car doing 100mph and hits turning a motorcyclist, assuming they survived, would they really deserve DWDCA
Imagine for a moment it it was a car doing 100mph and hits turning a motorcyclist, assuming they survived, would they really deserve DWDCA
DuckDuck said:
I gona get flamed here but I just can't understand why the motorist is getting such a hard time here, is it reasonable to expect someone to be doing 100mph at a junction! Really!
Imagine for a moment it it was a car doing 100mph and hits turning a motorcyclist, assuming they survived, would they really deserve DWDCA
The driver admitted to not having seen the motorcyclist or the car behind him.Imagine for a moment it it was a car doing 100mph and hits turning a motorcyclist, assuming they survived, would they really deserve DWDCA
I've spent time in Norfolk. The roads are straight, flat and wide. Speeds are generally much higher than in other parts of the country. No, the biker shouldn't be doing a ton, but doing a ton doesn't make him invisible, or any less visible than if he'd been doing any number up to and including the arbitrary one on the stick.
The speeding isn't irrelevant in the severity of the incident, but it is irrelevant in the criminal charge of Being A Mostly Blind Fickwit aimed at the driver.
Simon.
TobyLerone said:
As much as I'm saddened by the death of another biker, I can't see with whom the blames lies here, and I have no sympathy for either party.
If he was travelling at 97mph, the driver wouldn't necessarily have realised. One glance and they may have seen the bike, and automatically assumed they had time (judging by 60 mph they are expecting it to close at).
On the other hand, the driver should have been more aware.
Probably equally at fault, but seriously fking sobering to watch...
Maybe I'll just buy a Harley and cruise at 15mph. When it works....
+1 and I guess that's the point of the family allowing this video to be seen. He's not done anything most of us haven't done at some point and going too fast has cost him is life. All that stuff they say about being able to stop in case the unexpected happens? That crap is true, sadly you need to have a big accident on the road and get away with it to realise it.If he was travelling at 97mph, the driver wouldn't necessarily have realised. One glance and they may have seen the bike, and automatically assumed they had time (judging by 60 mph they are expecting it to close at).
On the other hand, the driver should have been more aware.
Probably equally at fault, but seriously f
king sobering to watch...Maybe I'll just buy a Harley and cruise at 15mph. When it works....
ferrariF50lover said:
The driver admitted to not having seen the motorcyclist or the car behind him.
I've spent time in Norfolk. The roads are straight, flat and wide. Speeds are generally much higher than in other parts of the country. No, the biker shouldn't be doing a ton, but doing a ton doesn't make him invisible, or any less visible than if he'd been doing any number up to and including the arbitrary one on the stick.
The speeding isn't irrelevant in the severity of the incident, but it is irrelevant in the criminal charge of Being A Mostly Blind Fickwit aimed at the driver.
Simon.
I don't agree, the speed he was doing doesn't make him visible but it still makes him difficult to be seen. The speed would most definitely be relevant if it gave the driver no chance to react. I've spent time in Norfolk. The roads are straight, flat and wide. Speeds are generally much higher than in other parts of the country. No, the biker shouldn't be doing a ton, but doing a ton doesn't make him invisible, or any less visible than if he'd been doing any number up to and including the arbitrary one on the stick.
The speeding isn't irrelevant in the severity of the incident, but it is irrelevant in the criminal charge of Being A Mostly Blind Fickwit aimed at the driver.
Simon.
DuckDuck said:
I gona get flamed here but I just can't understand why the motorist is getting such a hard time here, is it reasonable to expect someone to be doing 100mph at a junction! Really!
I agree to a point, I believe the the bike takes the larger percent of blame but the car driver crossed the white line less than 1.5 seconds before impact, they really should have seen it by then. 75%-25% imho.
Mastodon2 said:
A tough watch for any motorcyclist, and hopefully grim viewing that would make the myopic, disinterested drivers of the UK actually use things like observation, anticipation and judgement. Sadly, I doubt this video, or any of the others, make much of a difference, as few drivers like to admit their shortcomings or accept that they could improve their driving - the fact is that most drivers think they are up to scratch and wouldn't take 3 minutes to watch this.
It is a very tough watch but there were two people at fault in that video. How easy do you think it is to judge the speed of a small vehicle moving at speed like that? What do you think the outcome would have been had the bike been travelling at 60 mph?Car drivers need to think more and observe what is going on around them better and all road users, cars as well as bikes, need to understand that if you are travelling much faster than other road users expect then they may not anticipate how much time they have.
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