Family allow use of fatal crash video for safety campaign.
Discussion
Speed doesn't have that much of an effect of an accident occurring IMO, but it does greatly affect the outcome of an accident.
As the motorist has stated that they didn't see the motorbike, it is likely that the accident would have occurred at 60mph, although the outcome may not have been as severe
As the motorist has stated that they didn't see the motorbike, it is likely that the accident would have occurred at 60mph, although the outcome may not have been as severe
The driver was "sentenced Austin to a 12-month community order, with 130 hours’ unpaid work, and disqualified him from driving for 18 months. He also ordered him to pay a £60 surcharge and £200 costs."
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/a47_death_crash_driver...
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/a47_death_crash_driver...
Devil2575 said:
wemorgan said:
I think some people are missing the major point. Everyone can learn from the video. Not just bikers, but drivers too and those not speeding. Appropriate speed and observation skills need refreshing from time to time.
Absolutely
about it OR you can consider yourself in either position and reflect on how it could be avoided. As I said in bikers banter being a local biker I know that junction is a accident black spot! With him being a local he would have known the same! Doing 97mph passed that junction and overtaking so close to it and in rush hour traffic (I assume as he looks like he had just left work) is shear stupidity and I'm sorry if that sounds harsh but that is just the way I see it.
VinceFox said:
Devil2575 said:
wemorgan said:
I think some people are missing the major point. Everyone can learn from the video. Not just bikers, but drivers too and those not speeding. Appropriate speed and observation skills need refreshing from time to time.
Absolutely about it OR you can consider yourself in either position and reflect on how it could be avoided. digger the goat said:
Bike travelling at 97mph in a 60 with no lights on.
Driver is penalised for DWCAA..????
I await my lambasting !!
97 single carriageway , junction ahead....Jesus what was the worst that could happen did happen. I can't get it out of my head ...that Clio driver can't have closed their eyes since this tragedy. Driver is penalised for DWCAA..????
I await my lambasting !!
I saw that on FB. The moment of impact was harrowing, knowing it represented the instant death of a decent bloke.
Easily the best road safety video for 'our' lot that I have seen in ages. Moment of inattention=death. He was very quick on the reactions and started to avoid the car, so I wonder the outcome if the biker's speed had been significantly less, however the car had so much time to see him.
Horrible!
Easily the best road safety video for 'our' lot that I have seen in ages. Moment of inattention=death. He was very quick on the reactions and started to avoid the car, so I wonder the outcome if the biker's speed had been significantly less, however the car had so much time to see him.
Horrible!
Definitely sobbering viewing.
As a driver with friends who are bikers, my first reaction was the progress he was making was indeed swift and without sounding macabre, the distance he covers prior to the impact vs the car is dramatic. At 2:52 the car is still int he centre of the road, the bikers is beyond the central chevrons. 2 seconds later, he has travelled a significant distance and impacted. The car has moved about 6 feet.
I can understand how an event like this can unfold... again, no sides but as a driver in that situation how many of us would look forward, see the approaching car and miss the bike passing it. then look right into the side road knowing there is a car coming but having made a distance judgement, glance back as we started the move over, again noted the approaching car but missed the bike as we turned again to look where we were going and then found a bike on the bonnet.
This all happens in less than 2 seconds... neither parties had time to react sadly. Yes the driver was lacking observation and pulled in front of the approaching bike but said bike, approaching a junction with a car clearly visible and waiting to cross his path but still travelling at nigh on 100mph...?
No finger pointed needed, it should be an example of how quickly a tragic event can unfold aand that's the frightening bit. Neither had time to react but sadly as is usually the case, the venerable biker paid the ultimate price. Drivers - be concious of bikers. Bikers - ride defensively.
My upmost respect goes to his mother, a very brave and selfless lady given her tragic loss.
As a driver with friends who are bikers, my first reaction was the progress he was making was indeed swift and without sounding macabre, the distance he covers prior to the impact vs the car is dramatic. At 2:52 the car is still int he centre of the road, the bikers is beyond the central chevrons. 2 seconds later, he has travelled a significant distance and impacted. The car has moved about 6 feet.
I can understand how an event like this can unfold... again, no sides but as a driver in that situation how many of us would look forward, see the approaching car and miss the bike passing it. then look right into the side road knowing there is a car coming but having made a distance judgement, glance back as we started the move over, again noted the approaching car but missed the bike as we turned again to look where we were going and then found a bike on the bonnet.
This all happens in less than 2 seconds... neither parties had time to react sadly. Yes the driver was lacking observation and pulled in front of the approaching bike but said bike, approaching a junction with a car clearly visible and waiting to cross his path but still travelling at nigh on 100mph...?
No finger pointed needed, it should be an example of how quickly a tragic event can unfold aand that's the frightening bit. Neither had time to react but sadly as is usually the case, the venerable biker paid the ultimate price. Drivers - be concious of bikers. Bikers - ride defensively.
My upmost respect goes to his mother, a very brave and selfless lady given her tragic loss.
Regarding road users in general, I find people are to busy looking for a gap rather than observe what is coming up the road and what speed it's doing etc etc, people do have poor judgment or observation as how many times do you drive down a road with no other traffic, a car comes up to the junction stops, waits waits and then pulls out infront of you, if they could wait a few more seconds they could have just pulled out after you.
I find I'm very observant, I still check my rear view mirror regulary always check blind spots and mirrors and self aware of whats behind and infront etc and I'm no driving god but think my observation is brilliant but it was probley due to training.
I find I'm very observant, I still check my rear view mirror regulary always check blind spots and mirrors and self aware of whats behind and infront etc and I'm no driving god but think my observation is brilliant but it was probley due to training.
Regarding road users in general, I find people are to busy looking for a gap rather than observe what is coming up the road and what speed it's doing etc etc, people do have poor judgment or observation as how many times do you drive down a road with no other traffic, a car comes up to the junction stops, waits waits and then pulls out infront of you, if they could wait a few more seconds they could have just pulled out after you.
I find I'm very observant, I still check my rear view mirror regulary always check blind spots and mirrors and self aware of whats behind and infront etc and I'm no driving god but think my observation is brilliant but it was probley due to training.
I find I'm very observant, I still check my rear view mirror regulary always check blind spots and mirrors and self aware of whats behind and infront etc and I'm no driving god but think my observation is brilliant but it was probley due to training.
wormus said:
+1 and I guess that's the point of the family allowing this video to be seen. He's not done anything most of us haven't done at some point and going too fast has cost him is life. All that stuff they say about being able to stop in case the unexpected happens? That crap is true, sadly you need to have a big accident on the road and get away with it to realise it.
I T boned a rover 800 when I was 19 on my old fzr 600 luckily I got away with a badly bruised and twisted knee Dislocated shoulder and a wrecked bike but I was very lucky indeed !
I love bikes and love watching moto gp and the likes... but I took a break from bikes after the accident and time rolled on quick and I have never managed to get back on one since.
I very often think about taking the plunge again but I deep down no I won't r.i.p to the poor guy
And I dought the car driver will ever be the same again
ruff'n'smov said:
digger the goat said:
Bike travelling at 97mph in a 60 with no lights on.
Driver is penalised for DWCAA..????
I await my lambasting !!
97 single carriageway , junction ahead.... Driver is penalised for DWCAA..????
I await my lambasting !!
MrBarry123 said:
Not nice to watch at all.
What a waste of what seems to have been a really good guy/. If only he had been travelling at the speed limit.
excactly what difference would difference would that make? bearing in mind that the driver has already stated that he did not see him or the car behindWhat a waste of what seems to have been a really good guy/. If only he had been travelling at the speed limit.
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