Golf Mk7 - Sweetspot for price, spec, performance?
Discussion
ORD said:
Please explain how that is not how it works.
http://tos.pp.fi/koukku/SSP%20414%20Die%20Allradkupplung%20Generation%20IV%20im%20Tiguan%20Modelljahr%202008.pdfNo problem. The SSP is for Gen 4, but 5 is largely the same (keeping in mind the system is tuned differently for the R).
On turning the key: instant full clutch lockup for starting from a standstill. Ditto for moderate to heavy acceleration in general, with rear torque biasing to match dynamic slip condition as needed.
In the twisties, variable with up to 100% rear or front bias as needed. In parking and when cruising with minimal depression of the accelerator (situations for which a permanent split is near useless), front-biased.
scherzkeks said:
http://tos.pp.fi/koukku/SSP%20414%20Die%20Allradku...
No problem. The SSP is for Gen 4, but 5 is largely the same (keeping in mind the system is tuned differently for the R).
On turning the key: instant full clutch lockup for starting from a standstill. Ditto for moderate to heavy acceleration in general, with rear torque biasing to match dynamic slip condition as needed.
In the twisties, variable with up to 100% rear or front bias as needed. In parking and when cruising with minimal depression of the accelerator (situations for which a permanent split is near useless), front-biased.
I've read all that and it still sounds to me like it is largely FWD with the ability to shift torque to the rear axle. It's also not 100% - VW makes just claim but it can't be reconciled with the details that are actually provided about the system.
No problem. The SSP is for Gen 4, but 5 is largely the same (keeping in mind the system is tuned differently for the R).
On turning the key: instant full clutch lockup for starting from a standstill. Ditto for moderate to heavy acceleration in general, with rear torque biasing to match dynamic slip condition as needed.
In the twisties, variable with up to 100% rear or front bias as needed. In parking and when cruising with minimal depression of the accelerator (situations for which a permanent split is near useless), front-biased.
I've read all that and it still sounds to me like it is largely FWD with the ability to shift torque to the rear axle. It's also not 100% - VW makes just claim but it can't be reconciled with the details that are actually provided about the system.
ORD said:
How about the fact that the BMW has a proper engine and is RWD drive rather than FWD (plus a bit of RWD when the computer decides to shift some torque there for you).
If I had paid £30k for a 4 cyl shopping car with the boost cranked up, I would worry more about my own badge obsession than someone else's.
Bimmer engine is nice - only point conceded, but it's fugly, not anywhere near as accommodating and won't hustle round roads in all weathers anywhere near as quick or as safely as the Golf, which would also keep up with it round tracks and muller it in wet conditions.
Still if 6cyl and RWD ass flinging is your thing/fun meter (as it is Harris') then you have a point - reciprocal
Edited by OldBob on Thursday 9th October 09:46
Blown2CV said:
every thread about the Golf R seems to degenerate into defending it against beemers and mercs.
Aye I know, they seem a touchy lot the Golf R mob. They seem a lot like diesel drivers, dare to suggest there may be another way and out come the spreadsheets, tech specs and other tedious drivel to justify why they bought one. Disclaimer - some of the above may be tongue in cheek.
bodhi said:
Blown2CV said:
every thread about the Golf R seems to degenerate into defending it against beemers and mercs.
Aye I know, they seem a touchy lot the Golf R mob. They seem a lot like diesel drivers, dare to suggest there may be another way and out come the spreadsheets, tech specs and other tedious drivel to justify why they bought one. Disclaimer - some of the above may be tongue in cheek.
bodhi said:
Blown2CV said:
actually i'm on the other side of that, i was more meaning about the owners of other cars diving in to attack the golf...
Probably because most Golf R owners seem spectacularly easy to wind up 
OldBob said:
Mk7 R is expensive but very good. It does a better job at a people carrying DD, looks better and goes as well as an M135i, will also be usable quickly in snow/poor weather. Cabin is nice and functional, just doesn't have the (s)nob badge
Have you been on the Lease Deals thread, Golf R stupidly cheap lease deal...http://www.centralukvehicleleasing.co.uk/vehicle/c...
It cracks me up how angry people get about others have different preferences. You tell someone you would never choose a 4cyl hatch over a decent 6cyl hatch and they respond as though you just set fire to their socks.
'The Golf is faster in the wet'
Really? That'd do it for me, then, because I often drive at the limits on public roads... All of these cars are way too fast and grippy for any comparison about outright pace to mean a damn thing except to really insecure people who want a car for how fast it can go in theory rather than how it drives.
MX5, anyone? I know I want one
'The Golf is faster in the wet'
Really? That'd do it for me, then, because I often drive at the limits on public roads... All of these cars are way too fast and grippy for any comparison about outright pace to mean a damn thing except to really insecure people who want a car for how fast it can go in theory rather than how it drives.
MX5, anyone? I know I want one
I love mine, certainly in the top few cars I've owned. Maybe even top 2! I refuse to put it ahead of the TVR! Top praise for a eurobox, as some would describe it. However do I give a s
t if someone else loves their car more? No. Do I give a st if it can be slightly top trumped on some obscure stats, or even key stats by comparable priced hot hatches? Can't be arsed. Does a straight 6 sound better? Yea ok that's a thing, but it's not worth a doubling the cost (to me) over.
The people that want to insist, and want you to concede that their car is 'better'... A bit like the dhead that wants to race you at the lights. In this simile, if you're in a fiesta, I'll hand you your ass, but in something comparable, I can't be bothered frankly. It's close enough, there's not enough road, speed limits, and who cares anyway.
I love my car, everyone else can go get scarlet angry at someone else.
t if someone else loves their car more? No. Do I give a st if it can be slightly top trumped on some obscure stats, or even key stats by comparable priced hot hatches? Can't be arsed. Does a straight 6 sound better? Yea ok that's a thing, but it's not worth a doubling the cost (to me) over. The people that want to insist, and want you to concede that their car is 'better'... A bit like the d
head that wants to race you at the lights. In this simile, if you're in a fiesta, I'll hand you your ass, but in something comparable, I can't be bothered frankly. It's close enough, there's not enough road, speed limits, and who cares anyway. I love my car, everyone else can go get scarlet angry at someone else.
ORD said:
It cracks me up how angry people get about others have different preferences. You tell someone you would never choose a 4cyl hatch over a decent 6cyl hatch and they respond as though you just set fire to their socks.
'The Golf is faster in the wet'
Really? That'd do it for me, then, because I often drive at the limits on public roads... All of these cars are way too fast and grippy for any comparison about outright pace to mean a damn thing except to really insecure people who want a car for how fast it can go in theory rather than how it drives.
MX5, anyone? I know I want one
The context of faster in the wet was mostly regarding if you were at all interested in TRACK performance....where secure people do want something that goes like stink...'The Golf is faster in the wet'
Really? That'd do it for me, then, because I often drive at the limits on public roads... All of these cars are way too fast and grippy for any comparison about outright pace to mean a damn thing except to really insecure people who want a car for how fast it can go in theory rather than how it drives.
MX5, anyone? I know I want one
What do mean "...rather than how it drives otherwise.."? stability, neutral handling, braking, comfort, effortlessness..all Golf R attributes... I'll give you the soundtrack and engine noise for sure but performance and emissions do tend toward forced induction methods on lighter smaller cc engines currently.
...and yes the Golf R will be a better and likely safer for more drivers in snow/low grip conditions where power oversteer can catch some. (although winter tyres make a much larger difference)
My missus had an MX5 and it was quite fun, but just a bit underpowered for real fun (and I mean on trackdays, not the road)
I don't take your view personally and you're entitled to prefer what you want, but you have to be objective and it depends on the criteria which was "..sweetspot for price,performance,spec".
and I'm unashamedly a 7R buyer... guilty. But have also got much more fun 6pots than the Bimmers
imo 
Edited by OldBob on Thursday 9th October 11:23
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