RE: Jaguar XE - full details
Discussion
crostonian said:
Looks OK to me. Have seen loads of prototypes on the M6 and always assumed they were hacked about XFs but in fact they were the real thing. Not that family ties does any harm to BMW and Audi sales.
I'm getting a bit bored of all the saloon cars launched recently which seem to adopt the same approach to rear end styling - sunken rear panel, curved built in spoiler on the boot lid, trapezoidal tail lights and upswept bumper corners.
Feel free to add to the list but so far we have;
Audi A3 Saloon
Audi A4
Audi A5
Audi A6
BMW 3 Series (just)
Ford Fusion
Honda Accord
Hyundai i40
Infiniti Q50
Jaguar XE
Kia Optima
Lexus IS
Lexus GS
Maserati Ghibli
Maserati Quattroporte
Mazda 6
So to summarise, it looks a bit like a saloon car?I'm getting a bit bored of all the saloon cars launched recently which seem to adopt the same approach to rear end styling - sunken rear panel, curved built in spoiler on the boot lid, trapezoidal tail lights and upswept bumper corners.
Feel free to add to the list but so far we have;
Audi A3 Saloon
Audi A4
Audi A5
Audi A6
BMW 3 Series (just)
Ford Fusion
Honda Accord
Hyundai i40
Infiniti Q50
Jaguar XE
Kia Optima
Lexus IS
Lexus GS
Maserati Ghibli
Maserati Quattroporte
Mazda 6
I think that they could have been a bit more adventurous with the rear styling (the lights are a bit meh), but other than that I think it looks great. I like the family front end and the interior is refreshingly different to the germans.
Edited by wibblebrain on Tuesday 9th September 10:31
DonkeyApple said:
What other options are there for <99?
I looked once out of interest and it was just things like sub 1L mini cars but I assume things like the 116i etc are now there?
To me it seems like a milestone achievement but I'm guessing there are plenty of sub 99 cars in this size sector?
From the comparable mainstream manufacturers there is the Volvo V60 / S60 2.0d and Lexus IS300 hybrid which are 99 with P11d value of circa £30k and approx £140 / month tax payable based on 40%.I looked once out of interest and it was just things like sub 1L mini cars but I assume things like the 116i etc are now there?
To me it seems like a milestone achievement but I'm guessing there are plenty of sub 99 cars in this size sector?
The "business" level Audi A4, 3 series and C class 2.0d's are all >99 with similar P11 d values of circa £30k and are approx £170 to £180 / month tax payable on 40%. Well specced VW's are also in this sort of territory.
I guess the XE will be around, if not slightly lower per month than the Lexus / Volvo but be directly compared to the VAG / BMW / Merc products.
I am your typical target for this car after fifteen years of company cars in various VAG, BMW and Mercs.
If it's on the list when my current one goes back i will be struggling to look beyond it tbh. Better mpg, better BIK and hopefully a comparable drive to the 3 series.
Prawnboy said:
williamp said:
Lozw86 said:
I am not talking about company cars. Jag will never be a big fleet manufacturer.
I said this car is less powerful than all of its competitors and that is disappointing
But the jaguar will be considerably lighter then the competition, which will give it equal, or better performance then its competitors. With better fuel economy and less emissions. I said this car is less powerful than all of its competitors and that is disappointing
it's as exciting/dull as anything else in the sector, i hope it does well for them.
| Power | CO2 | |
|---|---|---|
| Jag XE | 163 | 99 |
| Merc C220 | 170 | 109 |
| BMW 320d ED | 165 | 109 |
| BMW 320d | 184 | 120 |
But, as said, if the 100g threshold is important (London?), the choice is even easier.
ZesPak said:
You make a good point I overlooked.
But, as said, if the 100g threshold is important (London?), the choice is even easier.
It's for the lowest BIK tax band for company cars. The only other like for like model that achieves sub 100g/km is the newest D4 engine in the Volvo S60. That's about 180 PS I think.| Power | CO2 | |
|---|---|---|
| Jag XE | 163 | 99 |
| Merc C220 | 170 | 109 |
| BMW 320d ED | 165 | 109 |
| BMW 320d | 184 | 120 |
But, as said, if the 100g threshold is important (London?), the choice is even easier.
simo1863 said:
It's for the lowest BIK tax band for company cars. The only other like for like model that achieves sub 100g/km is the newest D4 engine in the Volvo S60. That's about 180 PS I think.
Ok, thanks.Here in Belgium we don't have "bands" anymore, it's a gradual scale that factors your CO2 and retail price of the car. So you don't get a real penalty for, for example going from 99 to 101, it's the same difference as 101 to 103. There is a lower limit though, and that's set at 95g, everything below that just gets "upped" to 95g.
I'm amazed at the lukewarm reception on here. I thought everyone would be raving how there is finally a real competitor to the German offerings in this sector, from the UK no less.
Jag are being very aggressive with pitching against the 320d - good on them and good luck to them. £1.5bn development costs....
Styling wise, the PH comments display a case of familiarity breeding contempt. Virtually all the compact saloons these days resemble the proportions of the E36 3-series, which was a strikingly handsome and modern car when it was launched in the 90s. But that's hardly a surprise since the 3-series has been tremendously successful for 30 years now.
Jag are being very aggressive with pitching against the 320d - good on them and good luck to them. £1.5bn development costs....
Styling wise, the PH comments display a case of familiarity breeding contempt. Virtually all the compact saloons these days resemble the proportions of the E36 3-series, which was a strikingly handsome and modern car when it was launched in the 90s. But that's hardly a surprise since the 3-series has been tremendously successful for 30 years now.
ZesPak said:
Ok, thanks.
Here in Belgium we don't have "bands" anymore, it's a gradual scale that factors your CO2 and retail price of the car. So you don't get a real penalty for, for example going from 99 to 101, it's the same difference as 101 to 103. There is a lower limit though, and that's set at 95g, everything below that just gets "upped" to 95g.
at the risk of boring you and anyone reading it's similar here in that you pay tax on a % of the list value of the car (that % is determined by the CO2). Sub 100g/km is 12% (although you currently add 3% for diesel). Over 100 is only 13% but is seen as a holy grail for manufacturers as the difference used to be more.Here in Belgium we don't have "bands" anymore, it's a gradual scale that factors your CO2 and retail price of the car. So you don't get a real penalty for, for example going from 99 to 101, it's the same difference as 101 to 103. There is a lower limit though, and that's set at 95g, everything below that just gets "upped" to 95g.
williamp said:
Lozw86 said:
I am not talking about company cars. Jag will never be a big fleet manufacturer.
I said this car is less powerful than all of its competitors and that is disappointing
But the jaguar will be considerably lighter then the competition, which will give it equal, or better performance then its competitors. With better fuel economy and less emissions. I said this car is less powerful than all of its competitors and that is disappointing
Keep up the good work Jag
sideways man said:
21,000 mile service intervals,for the diesel 
They must be very confident!
Other manufacturers were at 18k for quite a while and I believe some commercial vehicles such as vans will go longer between services. Would I leave a modern car with out changing the oil every 12k. Absolutely not! When I was doing 20k a year in my Saab, I changed the oil every 13k. It didn't cost much to do. They must be very confident!
Anyways, I like the new XE. Overall the interior looks good, but steering wheels looks to have a lot of buttons on it all crammed together.
I hope it sells well
simo1863 said:
ZesPak said:
Ok, thanks.
Here in Belgium we don't have "bands" anymore, it's a gradual scale that factors your CO2 and retail price of the car. So you don't get a real penalty for, for example going from 99 to 101, it's the same difference as 101 to 103. There is a lower limit though, and that's set at 95g, everything below that just gets "upped" to 95g.
at the risk of boring you and anyone reading it's similar here in that you pay tax on a % of the list value of the car (that % is determined by the CO2). Sub 100g/km is 12% (although you currently add 3% for diesel). Over 100 is only 13% but is seen as a holy grail for manufacturers as the difference used to be more.Here in Belgium we don't have "bands" anymore, it's a gradual scale that factors your CO2 and retail price of the car. So you don't get a real penalty for, for example going from 99 to 101, it's the same difference as 101 to 103. There is a lower limit though, and that's set at 95g, everything below that just gets "upped" to 95g.
It might be boring, but it IS the market this car is aimed at so completely relevant.
Good to know, as mentioned, we don't have those different percentages/calculations, there's just 3 calculations:
- Petrol (/hybrid)
- Diesel (/hybrid)
- Electric
The F30 isn't anything to write home about dynamically without expensive options ticked, so I don't think it's inconceivable that the XE will pip it for driving enjoyment, at least as far as the base models go. When you get up to the higher models with the trick suspension, and the gloves really come off, it's harder to call, but BMW really hasn't done a stunning job with the F30 in standard trim. It's too soft and soggy, the body roll is excessive, and the steering is numb. Given the engineering talent in Jaguar, and the unique challenges of British roads where the car will have been developed, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they deliver a cooking model that is more of a drivers car than the equivalent F30 3-series
The XE is a handsome beast I think, although I'd be keen to see a standard model with 16-17" wheels. In this market, Jaguar were right in my opinion to be restrained in the styling department, and I think they've done just enough to make it stand out, without frightening off what is a fairly conservative target audience. When Ford did something radical with the Sierra all those years ago, the fleet market recoiled in horror, and I think if anything, the market now is more uniform and conservative than ever. I think they've called this one right.
It seems to nail the numbers as far as the fleet market goes, and is probably the first car in this sector in years that I am genuinely interested to go and drive. I hope it does well.
The XE is a handsome beast I think, although I'd be keen to see a standard model with 16-17" wheels. In this market, Jaguar were right in my opinion to be restrained in the styling department, and I think they've done just enough to make it stand out, without frightening off what is a fairly conservative target audience. When Ford did something radical with the Sierra all those years ago, the fleet market recoiled in horror, and I think if anything, the market now is more uniform and conservative than ever. I think they've called this one right.
It seems to nail the numbers as far as the fleet market goes, and is probably the first car in this sector in years that I am genuinely interested to go and drive. I hope it does well.
onemorelap said:
DonkeyApple said:
What other options are there for <99?
I looked once out of interest and it was just things like sub 1L mini cars but I assume things like the 116i etc are now there?
To me it seems like a milestone achievement but I'm guessing there are plenty of sub 99 cars in this size sector?
From the comparable mainstream manufacturers there is the Volvo V60 / S60 2.0d and Lexus IS300 hybrid which are 99 with P11d value of circa £30k and approx £140 / month tax payable based on 40%.I looked once out of interest and it was just things like sub 1L mini cars but I assume things like the 116i etc are now there?
To me it seems like a milestone achievement but I'm guessing there are plenty of sub 99 cars in this size sector?
The "business" level Audi A4, 3 series and C class 2.0d's are all >99 with similar P11 d values of circa £30k and are approx £170 to £180 / month tax payable on 40%. Well specced VW's are also in this sort of territory.
I guess the XE will be around, if not slightly lower per month than the Lexus / Volvo but be directly compared to the VAG / BMW / Merc products.
I am your typical target for this car after fifteen years of company cars in various VAG, BMW and Mercs.
If it's on the list when my current one goes back i will be struggling to look beyond it tbh. Better mpg, better BIK and hopefully a comparable drive to the 3 series.
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