RE: Jaguar XE - full details
Discussion
XJ Flyer said:
I'd doubt it in my case.This one is all about the future generations of Jaguar enthusiasts.In which case at least the new car sales rep will have the luxury of being able to tell any prospective new buyer trust me this manual supercharged 6 or 8 cylinder saloon is the real successor to the Mk2 and that will obviously be reflected in its depreciation rate bearing in mind the demand levels for the Mk2.ual option.
The 'new car sales rep' couldn't give two s
ts whether it is the real successor to the Mk2 or otherwise. In fact, they probably don't know what the Mk2 is, they just want to shift the tin and meet their targets. Nor would any 'prospective new buyer' they want a supercharged 6 or 8 cylinder saloon as the co2 and resultant tax would be crippling.
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Nor would any 'prospective new buyer' they want a supercharged 6 or 8 cylinder saloon as the co2 and resultant tax would be crippling.
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Hmm, got to diversify this quote.
The point of the V6/V8 is that they DO want one, they just can't afford it or the numbers don't add up.
Why else are there so many low powered diesel 3-series and A4's trotting around with full m-kit, some even complete with the badges?
Nor would any 'prospective new buyer' they want a supercharged 6 or 8 cylinder saloon as the co2 and resultant tax would be crippling.
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Hmm, got to diversify this quote.
The point of the V6/V8 is that they DO want one, they just can't afford it or the numbers don't add up.
Why else are there so many low powered diesel 3-series and A4's trotting around with full m-kit, some even complete with the badges?
I guess we're all different, but personally I'm not really bothered what badge is on the bonnet of my car, or even the history of the marque in question or the country it's made in; all I care about is what the car drives like and to some extent what it costs to buy and run and that it's not a horrific colour, like bright yellow or something. Once I already own a car, for sure it's nice to know if it's made in the UK, or that it won't attract much road rage (in the case of the Jag, or my Lotus), or that the marque is a historic one with an interesting history (Aston, Ferrari etc). Well over 90% of a buying decision for me is purely on how a car drives, and I doubt I'm alone in that am I?
RobM77 said:
I guess we're all different, but personally I'm not really bothered what badge is on the bonnet of my car, or even the history of the marque in question or the country it's made in; all I care about is what the car drives like and to some extent what it costs to buy and run and that it's not a horrific colour, like bright yellow or something. Once I already own a car, for sure it's nice to know if it's made in the UK, or that it won't attract much road rage (in the case of the Jag, or my Lotus), or that the marque is a historic one with an interesting history (Aston, Ferrari etc). Well over 90% of a buying decision for me is purely on how a car drives, and I doubt I'm alone in that am I?
You're not wrong, but I'm very sure you're a minority.RobM77 said:
I guess we're all different, but personally I'm not really bothered what badge is on the bonnet of my car, or even the history of the marque in question or the country it's made in; all I care about is what the car drives like and to some extent what it costs to buy and run and that it's not a horrific colour, like bright yellow or something. Once I already own a car, for sure it's nice to know if it's made in the UK, or that it won't attract much road rage (in the case of the Jag, or my Lotus), or that the marque is a historic one with an interesting history (Aston, Ferrari etc). Well over 90% of a buying decision for me is purely on how a car drives, and I doubt I'm alone in that am I?
More alone than a penguin in the arctic. 
Two things matter. What others think and how much it costs per month. The former is where handling is relevant but only in terms of requiring key journalists to tell prospective buyers that the car handles great. But only if that is one of the areas that the manufacturer has chosen to compete in their marketing program. If they've chosen to compete by using hipster colours and iPhone connectivity then the journalists will be educated on this front.
Luckily for us, Jaguar is back to being synonymous with performance and handling so this car has to genuinely stack up against the other cars that journalists tell us handle and perform well. After that they need to make sure that the XE's 'easy to pay, small monthly instalments' are small enough and the car 'desirable' enough for enough people to buy it.
But the number of buyers who could tell you whether it handled better than a 320D without someone having told them what to think in advance is not a big number and certainly not a number that any company would risk any form of product on. For most products it's only important what some spaff covered, dumpster cavorting 'celeb' is paid to say about it, such is modern Britain.
RobM77 said:
I guess we're all different, but personally I'm not really bothered what badge is on the bonnet of my car, or even the history of the marque in question or the country it's made in; all I care about is what the car drives like and to some extent what it costs to buy and run and that it's not a horrific colour, like bright yellow or something. Once I already own a car, for sure it's nice to know if it's made in the UK, or that it won't attract much road rage (in the case of the Jag, or my Lotus), or that the marque is a historic one with an interesting history (Aston, Ferrari etc). Well over 90% of a buying decision for me is purely on how a car drives, and I doubt I'm alone in that am I?
Nope. And other drivers who want a car primarily for the driving experience go for a small capacity diesel, too 
DonkeyApple said:
Two things matter. What others think and how much it costs per month. The former is where handling is relevant but only in terms of requiring key journalists to tell prospective buyers that the car handles great. But only if that is one of the areas that the manufacturer has chosen to compete in their marketing program. If they've chosen to compete by using hipster colours and iPhone connectivity then the journalists will be educated on this front.
Luckily for us, Jaguar is back to being synonymous with performance and handling so this car has to genuinely stack up against the other cars that journalists tell us handle and perform well.
Luckily, it would have to handle like a turd on a stick for the motoring press not love it. Jaguar is massively beloved of the UK mags and will, I expect, get away with providing a completely non-standard version for road testing. Luckily for us, Jaguar is back to being synonymous with performance and handling so this car has to genuinely stack up against the other cars that journalists tell us handle and perform well.
Ever since the notorious (to me) statement from Autocar that the F30 3 series is "sublime", I have given up expecting any kind of objectivity when it comes to BMW, VAG, etc products.
ORD said:
DonkeyApple said:
Two things matter. What others think and how much it costs per month. The former is where handling is relevant but only in terms of requiring key journalists to tell prospective buyers that the car handles great. But only if that is one of the areas that the manufacturer has chosen to compete in their marketing program. If they've chosen to compete by using hipster colours and iPhone connectivity then the journalists will be educated on this front.
Luckily for us, Jaguar is back to being synonymous with performance and handling so this car has to genuinely stack up against the other cars that journalists tell us handle and perform well.
Luckily, it would have to handle like a turd on a stick for the motoring press not love it. Jaguar is massively beloved of the UK mags and will, I expect, get away with providing a completely non-standard version for road testing. Luckily for us, Jaguar is back to being synonymous with performance and handling so this car has to genuinely stack up against the other cars that journalists tell us handle and perform well.
Ever since the notorious (to me) statement from Autocar that the F30 3 series is "sublime", I have given up expecting any kind of objectivity when it comes to BMW, VAG, etc products.
I hope it doesn't need media bias but it would certainly be nice to see the British media over support JLR.
They still need to sell this overseas so one can assume less beneficial coverage in other markets. The real tester would be how the German media cover it?
KTF said:
XJ Flyer said:
I'd doubt it in my case.This one is all about the future generations of Jaguar enthusiasts.In which case at least the new car sales rep will have the luxury of being able to tell any prospective new buyer trust me this manual supercharged 6 or 8 cylinder saloon is the real successor to the Mk2 and that will obviously be reflected in its depreciation rate bearing in mind the demand levels for the Mk2.ual option.
The 'new car sales rep' couldn't give two sts whether it is the real successor to the Mk2 or otherwise. In fact, they probably don't know what the Mk2 is, they just want to shift the tin and meet their targets. What is all this crap with Jaguar and people trying to say things are the "new MK2" or "new E-type" etc etc. The car is what it is… Jaguars current offering in the compact exec class and that is it. If you don't like it / can't afford it etc then you are not in their target demographic so why should they give a st about you.
t about you. craigjm said:
What is all this crap with Jaguar and people trying to say things are the "new MK2" or "new E-type" etc etc. The car is what it is… Jaguars current offering in the compact exec class and that is it. If you don't like it / can't afford it etc then you are not in their target demographic so why should they give a st about you.
Spoken like a true future XE diesel customer. t about you. ORD said:
RobM77 said:
I guess we're all different, but personally I'm not really bothered what badge is on the bonnet of my car, or even the history of the marque in question or the country it's made in; all I care about is what the car drives like and to some extent what it costs to buy and run and that it's not a horrific colour, like bright yellow or something. Once I already own a car, for sure it's nice to know if it's made in the UK, or that it won't attract much road rage (in the case of the Jag, or my Lotus), or that the marque is a historic one with an interesting history (Aston, Ferrari etc). Well over 90% of a buying decision for me is purely on how a car drives, and I doubt I'm alone in that am I?
Nope. And other drivers who want a car primarily for the driving experience go for a small capacity diesel, too RobM77 said:
Plenty that I know, yes. If cornering is your main interest, which for many it is on the public road, then anything that gets to 60 in less than 8 seconds (MX5 pace) is enough. The difference between a 320d and a 330d if you're used to much faster cars is neglible and not worry worrying about. I enjoy corners, and if I come out of the average corner at 45-50mph and the speed limit is 60, why on earth would I want a powerful car? Furthermore, that 3 litre Diesel engine is a good bit heavier and on the secondhand market usually comes with fatter tyres on bigger wheels. It's a pretty simple and obvious decision.
Shoot yourself? RobM77 said:
I guess we're all different, but personally I'm not really bothered what badge is on the bonnet of my car, or even the history of the marque in question or the country it's made in; all I care about is what the car drives like and to some extent what it costs to buy and run and that it's not a horrific colour, like bright yellow or something. Once I already own a car, for sure it's nice to know if it's made in the UK, or that it won't attract much road rage (in the case of the Jag, or my Lotus), or that the marque is a historic one with an interesting history (Aston, Ferrari etc). Well over 90% of a buying decision for me is purely on how a car drives, and I doubt I'm alone in that am I?
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