RE: Jaguar XE - full details
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ORD said:
smashy said:
,,,and when are they going to stick the XF S 3ltr diesel in it?
Who cares? Stick a proper engine in it instead - a NA 4 litre petrol for me, please 
Never going to happen, but it's a sad world where we are looking forward to a diesel version (even with 6 cyls).
ORD said:
Who cares? Stick a proper engine in it instead - a NA 4 litre petrol for me, please Never going to happen, but it's a sad world where we are looking forward to a diesel version (even with 6 cyls).
er the world might not revolve around you I as in me care as I do 25/30k a year and I sadly havent got money to burn, Never going to happen, but it's a sad world where we are looking forward to a diesel version (even with 6 cyls).smashy said:
ORD said:
Who cares? Stick a proper engine in it instead - a NA 4 litre petrol for me, please Never going to happen, but it's a sad world where we are looking forward to a diesel version (even with 6 cyls).
er the world might not revolve around you I as in me care as I do 25/30k a year and I sadly havent got money to burn, Never going to happen, but it's a sad world where we are looking forward to a diesel version (even with 6 cyls).ORD said:
Who cares? Stick a proper engine in it instead - a NA 4 litre petrol for me, please Never going to happen, but it's a sad world where we are looking forward to a diesel version (even with 6 cyls).
Nothing sexier than a Carbon molecule getting it on with two Oxygen molecules. Leaves you salivating with excitement just imagining all the grams as the car cruises past. Never going to happen, but it's a sad world where we are looking forward to a diesel version (even with 6 cyls).Gas masses. That's what rocks a true PHer's world.
'Here son, have this A2 poster of a 318D for your bedroom, now shall we go down to the park and have fun watching everyone else playing?'
ORD said:
smashy said:
,,,and when are they going to stick the XF S 3ltr diesel in it?
Who cares? Stick a proper engine in it instead - a NA 4 litre petrol for me, please Never going to happen, but it's a sad world where we are looking forward to a diesel version (even with 6 cyls).8bit said:
ORD said:
smashy said:
,,,and when are they going to stick the XF S 3ltr diesel in it?
Who cares? Stick a proper engine in it instead - a NA 4 litre petrol for me, please Never going to happen, but it's a sad world where we are looking forward to a diesel version (even with 6 cyls).ORD said:
I have no doubt that it is an impressive engine. But I do not have to drive it to tell you that it will be less enjoyable than a big petrol engine.
Then perhaps you'd care to share this weekend's winning lottery numbers with me?Seriously, drive one. I'd say yes, it's not as enjoyable but the margin is a lot less than I thought it would be.
8bit said:
ORD said:
I have no doubt that it is an impressive engine. But I do not have to drive it to tell you that it will be less enjoyable than a big petrol engine.
Then perhaps you'd care to share this weekend's winning lottery numbers with me?Seriously, drive one. I'd say yes, it's not as enjoyable but the margin is a lot less than I thought it would be.
Meh, most cars are a form of compromise. Compromise comfort for "feeling", size and practicality for weight,...
A diesel is one of these compromises. Yes, a petrol is more responsive and usually sounds better. But a diesel offers comfort (noise, range and torque) and better mpg in return.
I'm willing to make that compromise, you obviously aren't. Each to their own. I probably would rather have a V8 monster, but I live in the real world where petrol is € 1,70/L. I'd rather have a diesel V6 that I can actually drive without cringing every time I start it.
It's just a step in the compromise you make. When you buy this (or a C-class or 3-series for that matter), you already made a number of them. Slating diesels is as academic as the people on the Caterham forum slating cars with a roof and windows.
A diesel is one of these compromises. Yes, a petrol is more responsive and usually sounds better. But a diesel offers comfort (noise, range and torque) and better mpg in return.
I'm willing to make that compromise, you obviously aren't. Each to their own. I probably would rather have a V8 monster, but I live in the real world where petrol is € 1,70/L. I'd rather have a diesel V6 that I can actually drive without cringing every time I start it.
It's just a step in the compromise you make. When you buy this (or a C-class or 3-series for that matter), you already made a number of them. Slating diesels is as academic as the people on the Caterham forum slating cars with a roof and windows.
ZesPak said:
Meh, most cars are a form of compromise. Compromise comfort for "feeling", size and practicality for weight,...
A diesel is one of these compromises. Yes, a petrol is more responsive and usually sounds better. But a diesel offers comfort (noise, range and torque) and better mpg in return.
I'm willing to make that compromise, you obviously aren't. Each to their own. I probably would rather have a V8 monster, but I live in the real world where petrol is € 1,70/L. I'd rather have a diesel V6 that I can actually drive without cringing every time I start it.
It's just a step in the compromise you make. When you buy this (or a C-class or 3-series for that matter), you already made a number of them. Slating diesels is as academic as the people on the Caterham forum slating cars with a roof and windows.
Fair point. But the strange thing is that most people don't even bother to work out what running a diesel will actually save them and then look at the saving in the context of the overall cost of motoring. It's usually a few hundred quid except for people who do lots of miles. If that amount of money is a concern, don't buy a new car, let alone a new Jag!A diesel is one of these compromises. Yes, a petrol is more responsive and usually sounds better. But a diesel offers comfort (noise, range and torque) and better mpg in return.
I'm willing to make that compromise, you obviously aren't. Each to their own. I probably would rather have a V8 monster, but I live in the real world where petrol is € 1,70/L. I'd rather have a diesel V6 that I can actually drive without cringing every time I start it.
It's just a step in the compromise you make. When you buy this (or a C-class or 3-series for that matter), you already made a number of them. Slating diesels is as academic as the people on the Caterham forum slating cars with a roof and windows.
ORD said:
Fair point. But the strange thing is that most people don't even bother to work out what running a diesel will actually save them and then look at the saving in the context of the overall cost of motoring. It's usually a few hundred quid except for people who do lots of miles. If that amount of money is a concern, don't buy a new car, let alone a new Jag!
Let's take a 3-series, because it's easy to do:| 335xi | 335xd | |
|---|---|---|
| 0-62 | 5,0 | 4,8 |
| HP | 306 | 313 |
| L/100km | 7,6 | 5,4 |
| CO2 | 178 | 143 |
The petrol is 40% higher, at 20k/year miles (hardly a huge number?), it's not hard to work out that might easily be £800/year!
On top of that, most taxing in most countries works on CO2.
So, in my eyes, you REALLY have to want a petrol engine to justify it.
I love my bike and petrol car, I do think it offers a feel and a noise you won't find in a diesel, I really do.
Yet for a car like this, you'd have to do some serious man maths to make petrol "work". And then settle for the slower, less refined car that's more expensive to run.
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