RE: Jaguar XE - full details
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Its a nice option over a beamer. I likr the front, back is a bit bland but its a rep mobile sector, as many have said, they are not going to go uber extrovert with it.
Will be interesting to see if they can drop the V8 (with and/or without supercharger) in there for an R version, which would be the M3 /M4 competitor. If they make a coupe version. If the make an AWD version. theres potential for alot of ooptions, and the 3.0L T diesel (single / twin turbo!!)
If they make an AWD or RWD Coupe / Estate V8 version... Winning? Taking on the BM Tourer, RS4 / Avante, M3/M4 derivatives.
Its all a step in the right dierction anyway, great to see a british manufacturer taking on the germans at their own game. Interested to see how they drive now i suppose. Harris!
Will be interesting to see if they can drop the V8 (with and/or without supercharger) in there for an R version, which would be the M3 /M4 competitor. If they make a coupe version. If the make an AWD version. theres potential for alot of ooptions, and the 3.0L T diesel (single / twin turbo!!)
If they make an AWD or RWD Coupe / Estate V8 version... Winning? Taking on the BM Tourer, RS4 / Avante, M3/M4 derivatives.
Its all a step in the right dierction anyway, great to see a british manufacturer taking on the germans at their own game. Interested to see how they drive now i suppose. Harris!
Lozw86 said:
I am not talking about company cars. Jag will never be a big fleet manufacturer.
I said this car is less powerful than all of its competitors and that is disappointing
Which is more or less irrelevant as Jaguar are obviously targeting company car buyers with their 99g CO2 model.I said this car is less powerful than all of its competitors and that is disappointing
So when talking about that particular model, CO2 will trump HP.
Lozw86 said:
It may have low emmisions but the power output is already down on the competitors 2.0d units
163hp from a 2 litre diesel Jag is a bit pathetic. The ZF gearbox and fairly low weight should help things but I was expecting a lot closer to 200hp
If you read the article it states they are bringing out a twin turbo model which should nudge 200bhp.163hp from a 2 litre diesel Jag is a bit pathetic. The ZF gearbox and fairly low weight should help things but I was expecting a lot closer to 200hp
Is that ok now? :-)
Personally it looks good.
Great that Jaguar are trying to compete with the big guns in this segment.
I think the 99g/km diesel engine will be an enormous seller (or at least leaser). 160bhp isn't exactly going to struggle to keep up with traffic and the lower BIK rate is a significant incentive for company car people. IIRC some companies wont even allow employees to have company cars with >100g/km.
I strongly expect our work car-park to fill up with them once they go on general sale.
I strongly expect our work car-park to fill up with them once they go on general sale.
It may not stand out from the crowd in terms of exterior styling but it isn't bad looking which is probably about as good as you are going to get if you don't want a marmite car. As for comments about similarity to other models in the same bracket most of them do look the same. Take the badges and other distinguishing features off a A4 or 3 series and they hardly have any particular distinguishing styling features. From the front now with the family nose jobs a 1 series looks the same as a 7 and you can't tell if the audi behind is a A3 or the R8.
At first glance I thought this looked a bit like a mondeo. At least the interior looks to be a bit different to the functional blandness of the german rivals. I hope it sells well and plenty of people but the petrol so that in a few years I can get a good deal on a used one.
At first glance I thought this looked a bit like a mondeo. At least the interior looks to be a bit different to the functional blandness of the german rivals. I hope it sells well and plenty of people but the petrol so that in a few years I can get a good deal on a used one.
Good job Jaguar. Nice looking car. Volume success will now be down to the marketing and finance teams to get attractive lease deals in the market.
As for the 99g/160hp figures - these are competitive "today". BMW offer 109g/164hp in the 3 series as their low emission car, although new BMW diesel engines are being rolled out now. It is Volvo who are leading the way with 99g/181hp.
Jaguar are just doing the same as the others by pitching different output steps in the hope of persuading you up the ladder. £27k is a very attractive start price (the same as a 316d Auto with 118hp). Even as a BMW fan I would be choosing the Jag at this level.
As for the 99g/160hp figures - these are competitive "today". BMW offer 109g/164hp in the 3 series as their low emission car, although new BMW diesel engines are being rolled out now. It is Volvo who are leading the way with 99g/181hp.
Jaguar are just doing the same as the others by pitching different output steps in the hope of persuading you up the ladder. £27k is a very attractive start price (the same as a 316d Auto with 118hp). Even as a BMW fan I would be choosing the Jag at this level.
Lozw86 said:
I am not talking about company cars. Jag will never be a big fleet manufacturer.
I said this car is less powerful than all of its competitors and that is disappointing
I think you've entirely missed who its competitors are then. That engine is aimed squarely at making it a viable company car and nothing else. For that market, I think they've got it right.I said this car is less powerful than all of its competitors and that is disappointing
They've certainly played it safe with the styling. Take an XF, shrink it a bit, add a touch of 3 series, a touch of A4, job done. But what did we really expect? Perhaps they could have made the rear lights resemble the F-Type's a bit.
But...does that really say 75mpg for the 2.0 diesel?
But...does that really say 75mpg for the 2.0 diesel?
It looks exactly like it needs to look like for this market sector. It was never going to be overly adventurous, so I'm not quite sure what some people were expecting.
It looks like it will have enough tech and green credentials to give Jaguar a big kick-start in fleet volumes.
These are going to be everywhere in 12 months time...
Nice one Jag!
But what they need to do now is make sure that additional variants, estate, coupe, cabrio, crossover follow at no more than 6 month intervals. This would properly take the fight to the German brands.
It looks like it will have enough tech and green credentials to give Jaguar a big kick-start in fleet volumes.
These are going to be everywhere in 12 months time...
Nice one Jag!
But what they need to do now is make sure that additional variants, estate, coupe, cabrio, crossover follow at no more than 6 month intervals. This would properly take the fight to the German brands.
Edited by GTEYE on Tuesday 9th September 09:24
Lozw86 said:
I am not talking about company cars. Jag will never be a big fleet manufacturer.
Never? This model may well be the one to change that.Can you imagine the alternative in the board meetings?
"We have absolutely very low sales in the £1bn company fleet market."
"Oh we're obviously no good at it then, we shouldn't bother trying."
Looks great in 'S' trim, but in boggo-standard mode with small wheels and without the aggressive 'S' bumpers, it will look a touch bland. Not sure why they have put F-Type features onto a new saloon (side strakers, rear light signature) to sex it up a bit maybe...?
Not a fan of the interior as yet, and will reserve full judgement until seeing one in the flesh.
When I saw the live reveal was on at 7:15pm, I suggest to my 6 year old who like his dad is a car nut that we watch it on the iPad instead of a night time story. Thinking it would be about 20-30mins.........anyway after an hour I had to put him to bed and still it went on for another 45mins, by which time my eye on twitter feed, showed Jag had released all the images before the live reveal.....Doh!
Good show, nicely produced, great acting and performances, but not required Jaguar. Who do you employ for marketing? I thought the Gorgeous campaign was awful, and it has been somewhat off the mark since......back to basics please......
Anyway, I'm sure it will be a great drive, but for me and 3.0 XF-S Portfoilio with the 20% off floats my boat far more.....
Not a fan of the interior as yet, and will reserve full judgement until seeing one in the flesh.
When I saw the live reveal was on at 7:15pm, I suggest to my 6 year old who like his dad is a car nut that we watch it on the iPad instead of a night time story. Thinking it would be about 20-30mins.........anyway after an hour I had to put him to bed and still it went on for another 45mins, by which time my eye on twitter feed, showed Jag had released all the images before the live reveal.....Doh!
Good show, nicely produced, great acting and performances, but not required Jaguar. Who do you employ for marketing? I thought the Gorgeous campaign was awful, and it has been somewhat off the mark since......back to basics please......
Anyway, I'm sure it will be a great drive, but for me and 3.0 XF-S Portfoilio with the 20% off floats my boat far more.....
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