Sold diesel going back to petrol
Discussion
Fastdruid said:
I'm quite happy with a DMF on a petrol car. I don't worry about it, no more than I worry about my clutch (last petrol car the clutch had lasted ~180k when I got rid of the car).
I'd be far more worried about an auto-box than a DMF, far too many auto's have very expensive failures over 100k and are way more expensive than a new DMF.
Having had an auto box failure I think would prefer to take my chances with the DMF.I'd be far more worried about an auto-box than a DMF, far too many auto's have very expensive failures over 100k and are way more expensive than a new DMF.
cib24 said:
cib24 said:
The obvious choice for a family estate vehicle under £3k that will be utterly reliable is a Honda Accord 2.4 or 2.0 petrol estate:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...
At 100k miles these engines are hardly broken in. My last Honda Civic was still going strong at 335,000 miles when I sold it a few years ago.
I don't know why this car has not been more seriously considered. The K24A and the K20 engine options in this car are bulletproof, each car is very well kitted out, they look pretty good for an estate, will return over 30 mpg with ease, and they are an absolute bargain at <£2,500. In any other market these cars would surely be worth at least 4x their current value. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...
At 100k miles these engines are hardly broken in. My last Honda Civic was still going strong at 335,000 miles when I sold it a few years ago.
macp said:
Fastdruid said:
Lets look at those.
1) Direct injection. GDI run's at far lower pressures so not as much chance of failure.
2) Common rail. Er wtf? Petrol has been "common rail" pretty much since the advent of modern fuel injection!
3) DMF. The DMF on both petrol and diesels is designed for the life of the car, the difference is that on a petrol it's likely to be true. DMF's do fail on petrol cars but it's the exception rather than the rule.
4) Particulate filters. Please point to one single petrol production car with a particulate filter. It only applies to GDI vehicles and only from next year.
5) Turbochargers. Only valid point. Even then many turbos will last the life of the vehicle. The major difference though is that an oil leak in a petrol turbo won't lead to the engine running away!
Good post but regarding the turbo it tends tends to get killed more in a diesel due to getting gunged up with sooty deposits.1) Direct injection. GDI run's at far lower pressures so not as much chance of failure.
2) Common rail. Er wtf? Petrol has been "common rail" pretty much since the advent of modern fuel injection!
3) DMF. The DMF on both petrol and diesels is designed for the life of the car, the difference is that on a petrol it's likely to be true. DMF's do fail on petrol cars but it's the exception rather than the rule.
4) Particulate filters. Please point to one single petrol production car with a particulate filter. It only applies to GDI vehicles and only from next year.
5) Turbochargers. Only valid point. Even then many turbos will last the life of the vehicle. The major difference though is that an oil leak in a petrol turbo won't lead to the engine running away!
macp said:
Agreed but it would have to be the type S for me
A quick search:http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...
cib24 said:
macp said:
Agreed but it would have to be the type S for me
A quick search:http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...
Just thought of another car keeping it non vag.I once had a saab 9-5 aero saloon with the auto box and loved it until the box went but I always wanted a manual estate.Probably the quietest and comfiest car I have ever owned and the TD04 turbo is solid as long as the oil feed has not been allowed to gunge up.There is also the 9-3 2.8T V6 which sounds a beast but the gearboxes n the 9-3`s worry me as I think they are quite fragile and I dont know if they use the same turbo?
Mave said:
Sorry, but IMHO it's a grumpy engine. It may make the numbers on paper, but it's an unwilling companion on a sporting drive
i owed 3 cars with the 1.8t enginean 2000 audi 1.8 a4, an 2000 audi a 1.8t quattro and a 200 bhp seat ibiza 2005 1.8t.
All where/are sporty engines and enjoyable to use, not tvr sportiness but a great engine to thrash..
a bit old skool turbo boost, but great for making progress and with a miltek rewarding noise.
Edited by The Spruce goose on Tuesday 16th September 01:17
J4CKO said:
I wonder how long the diesel backlash will take to reach the dyed in the wool diesel punters, I know people who look at cars and rule out every petrol mode, yet do way under 10k a year ?
When will they cotton on that diesel motoring is not free as previously advertised and can actually be more expensive, as per the OP's experience.
A guy at work got sick of the bills his Passat diesel was generating, bought an Avensis, no problems so far, apart from it being gutless.
Yes been trying to convince dad to change his 02 Clio DCIWhen will they cotton on that diesel motoring is not free as previously advertised and can actually be more expensive, as per the OP's experience.
A guy at work got sick of the bills his Passat diesel was generating, bought an Avensis, no problems so far, apart from it being gutless.
140k averages 65 mpg and £20rfl and has only ever needed a new alternator and battery I made the mistake of changing the oil frequently which has paid off with the pesky thing never having a turbo or egr problems so it won't be easy !!!
JUST TO ADD MOST DIESEL PROBLEMS ARE DUE TO OVER LONG SERVICE INTERVALS ITS THAT SIMPLE!!!
macp said:
So what do you buy which is:
N/A
Manual gearbox
5 doors or estate
reasonable turn of speed
mid twenties to mid thirties mpg
As someone else has said...330i Touring. If you can find one. I've just traded-in my 320i saloon but would have another E46 (a 330i/Ci) in a heartbeat. It's definitely worth holding-out for the larger engine as basically the 320i, 325i and 330i all do almost exactly the same MPG. I got my 320i for a steal but ened-up wishing I had the 3-litre. If it was, I'd have kept it.N/A
Manual gearbox
5 doors or estate
reasonable turn of speed
mid twenties to mid thirties mpg
Facelift (or LCI in BMW speak) cars are also worth looking-out for, especially '53' reg onwards. Later 330is have a 6-speed 'box rather than a 5.
gizlaroc said:
austinsmirk said:
Petrol and 20 ish mpg urban again chugging about. Not a chance.
20 years ago maybe, but I have had 350bhp petrols that see nearly 30 'chugging about'. Take out a new 1.4tfsi A3 and you will get 40-50mpg all day long.
Edited by gizlaroc on Monday 15th September 22:10
Nearly 30 mpg is rubbish though, I want about 40 or more doing the communte, nursery, school, shopping. on a run I want nearly 60.
because I'm a tight yorkshireman.
eg, I had to drive 200 miles last week to Liverpool and back. I clocked 59 mpg flying there and back- happy days.
austinsmirk said:
yes, fine, a tiny womans shopping car will be good on fuel: but a large family car I can stuff full of kids and actually use, won't !!!
Nearly 30 mpg is rubbish though, I want about 40 or more doing the communte, nursery, school, shopping. on a run I want nearly 60.
because I'm a tight yorkshireman.
eg, I had to drive 200 miles last week to Liverpool and back. I clocked 59 mpg flying there and back- happy days.
What car? Nearly 30 mpg is rubbish though, I want about 40 or more doing the communte, nursery, school, shopping. on a run I want nearly 60.
because I'm a tight yorkshireman.
eg, I had to drive 200 miles last week to Liverpool and back. I clocked 59 mpg flying there and back- happy days.
Think some of the suggestions in this thread are good.
330 touring, Seat Leon Cupra R or an old S3 would be my choice.
I have had an Audi A4 1.8T quattro for over 10 years. Done around 80k miles in it and only ever had the ABS pump, wiper mechanism bearing re-greased, 1 boost hose, 1 wheel bearing and the coolant temp sensor needing replaced in that time. Can pick those up for under £2k and are quattro etc.
Lots will find them dull but I like it.
330 touring, Seat Leon Cupra R or an old S3 would be my choice.
I have had an Audi A4 1.8T quattro for over 10 years. Done around 80k miles in it and only ever had the ABS pump, wiper mechanism bearing re-greased, 1 boost hose, 1 wheel bearing and the coolant temp sensor needing replaced in that time. Can pick those up for under £2k and are quattro etc.
Lots will find them dull but I like it.
austinsmirk said:
gizlaroc said:
austinsmirk said:
Petrol and 20 ish mpg urban again chugging about. Not a chance.
20 years ago maybe, but I have had 350bhp petrols that see nearly 30 'chugging about'. Take out a new 1.4tfsi A3 and you will get 40-50mpg all day long.
Edited by gizlaroc on Monday 15th September 22:10
Nearly 30 mpg is rubbish though, I want about 40 or more doing the communte, nursery, school, shopping. on a run I want nearly 60.
because I'm a tight yorkshireman.
eg, I had to drive 200 miles last week to Liverpool and back. I clocked 59 mpg flying there and back- happy days.
I was talking about a 535i, it was simply a way of saying 20mpg from a petrol is not the case anymore.
The A3 was an example, you could choose the Octavia Estate, owners are seriously impressed with the economy, not a small car either.
I'm not saying go out and spend money on a new car, just the quote "Petrol and 20 ish mpg urban again chugging about. Not a chance." shows that the last petrol he owned was probably 20 years ago.
If it's something that is quick but worry free you're after then avoid the old S3 / Cupra R as these are more likely to have been driven a bit harder and can often mean things are about ready to be replaced. That said it's all about a big trade off and if I was in the market for a 3k petrol I'd be thinking 330i or 540i or a similar Merc C200 / E430.
gizlaroc said:
Small shopping trolly?
I was talking about a 535i, it was simply a way of saying 20mpg from a petrol is not the case anymore.
The A3 was an example, you could choose the Octavia Estate, owners are seriously impressed with the economy, not a small car either.
I'm not saying go out and spend money on a new car, just the quote "Petrol and 20 ish mpg urban again chugging about. Not a chance." shows that the last petrol he owned was probably 20 years ago.
No, he's got a very good point. I've been concerned with the economy of the 125i around town, occasionally it will drop to 28 or 29. Compared to the 30-32 I was getting from the 330d that's absolutely.....quite good really. 125i doesn't need driven as hard either, as doesn't require me to boot it to wake the turbo up to make it go. I was talking about a 535i, it was simply a way of saying 20mpg from a petrol is not the case anymore.
The A3 was an example, you could choose the Octavia Estate, owners are seriously impressed with the economy, not a small car either.
I'm not saying go out and spend money on a new car, just the quote "Petrol and 20 ish mpg urban again chugging about. Not a chance." shows that the last petrol he owned was probably 20 years ago.
powerstroke said:
JUST TO ADD MOST DIESEL PROBLEMS ARE DUE TO OVER LONG SERVICE INTERVALS ITS THAT SIMPLE!!!
You mean those service intervals which are set out by the manufacturer which has carried out thousands of hours of testing at way over the recommended intervals in the field and on the dyno?Right.
More diesel problems are caused by misuse than by the long service intervals.
Misuse? More like using a vehicle as one might reasonably use a vehicle and in a way that some factor the durability engineers never envisaged is detrimental.
Durability testing can't cover everything and still be economically viable and indeed is often compromised by bean counters and politicking and automotive engineers, while they come close, aren't infallible and do sometimes miss something.
Durability testing can't cover everything and still be economically viable and indeed is often compromised by bean counters and politicking and automotive engineers, while they come close, aren't infallible and do sometimes miss something.
HertsBiker said:
Petrol, auto, big non turbo motors are where it's at now if you want reliability. No DMF with auto, no turbo and associated pipe work. The bigger engine keeps it lower stress. Ok fuel consumption won't be so good but it'll last longer. And no DPF. So you pay more each month for fuel, call it an insurance policy if you like, for having something simpler and cheaper to maintain. Auto because it looks after the engine and transmission, even tyres and cv joints last longer.
This is exactly why I have a 2006 Mazda 6 2.0 petrol NA auto. Home servicing. No faults, ever. And also, to seal the deal, it has one other advantage you haven't mentioned in your list - chain cam engine. Blissful.My only regret is that I didn't get the 2.3, but then the 4 wheel drive system might throw a problem..........
I'd recommend a car like mine to anyone. And they are so cheap now that it's really, really silly.
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