Watch Ferrari/K'segg make the P1 look slow through Brunchen

[anonymous-user]

Zod said:

For some reason, this thread made me think of this.

I suspect they are not entirely unconnected.........

[k-ink]

CH, any chance you could blag a ride in a Koeinigfist and settle this? I may never sleep again, until it is made clear which model is marginally faster. Cheers.

[Tom73]

Ksegger said:

It's quite clear that the One:1 is in a league of its own when it comes to track performance, and I just can't wait to see it go for the record.

Yes clearly. -10 seconds or faster than the P1 is my guess.

And watch me bump this thread when it does.

zeppelin101 said:

I don't give a monkeys which is faster, however when a poorly constructed video is used to draw an argument like this which has nothing statistical or realistically meaningful to back it up is pretty daft.

You can't honestly be sticking by the fact that this is a legitimate analysis?

I can and I will.

And this thread was actually inspired by various McLaren threads on PH and Chris' hack piece but most of all an old Top Gear piece.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/mclaren-p1-veyron...

I'd say this thread has more depth to it though. More "meta" so to speak.

rigga said:

Brilliant, just what this thread needs, another egg fanboy

Haha yes, because this thread is so shamefully cluttered by mad Koenigsegg fans (as opposed to mad McLaren and Pagani fans) that we possibly couldn't bear one more. Before you know it there could easily be three or four (don't be alarmed!) of us not preaching the McLaren/Pagani gospel and then what would happen? It would be utter chaos I tell you, a bunch of "eggies" prancing about with their turbans, burqas and big lips as if they owned the place. Fekkin can't have that, can we?

epom said:

That Koeeehdhngnfjjsjfjsjshfjdj one looked very very fast alright, the rest of em were average enough tbh.

Obviously. I'd say the P1 was below average though. From my highly objective and educated perspective of course.

[zeppelin101]

I'm out. You're clearly a raving lunatic with an enormous ego problem.

[Pommygranite]

Tom - what's your educated perspective?

[ManOpener]

I hate to ask yet again, but exactly what credentials do you possess to tall your views "highly...educated" in a discussion that has involved at least one high performance vehicle engineering specialist?

[Kawasicki]

Is this thread about comparing different cars driven by different people by looking at video footage?

[ManOpener]

Kawasicki said:

Is this thread about comparing different cars driven by different people by looking at video footage?

Yes.

[Kawasicki]

ManOpener said:

Kawasicki said:

Is this thread about comparing different cars driven by different people by looking at video footage?

Yes.

OK.

[Kawasicki]

what was the aim of the drivers in the video, to go fast or to check how the traction/stability control was working?

[Kawasicki]

Bearing in mind that about 0.001% of laps in vehicle development at the'Ring are about minimizing lap times.

[anonymous-user]

Kawasicki said:

Is this thread about comparing different cars driven by different people by looking at video footage?

We also have no accurate timing data on that footage, taken on different days. For all we know any of it could be sped up / slowed down to skew the "results" etc.........



And for the record, i'm a big Koenigsegg fan. What that small company has achieved with the limited budget they have is amazing, and the ONE:1 is a pretty incredible machine. Ok, it's a bit of a "one trick pony", but incredible none the less ;-)

[stevesingo]

Tom73 said:

zeppelin101 said:

I don't give a monkeys which is faster, however when a poorly constructed video is used to draw an argument like this which has nothing statistical or realistically meaningful to back it up is pretty daft.

You can't honestly be sticking by the fact that this is a legitimate analysis?

I can and I will.

Well do so then. So far you have not answered any persons question with a direct cohesive response. All your responses to legitimate questions are misdirection and evade the point.

So we all wait with baited breath. Demonstrate legitimacy of your GIF analasis?

Also, in case you have not noticed, the responses to your oringinal post do not take issue with your claim because your claim may be incorrect, the issue people have is the evidence you use to support your claim does not really stand up as a reasonable arguement. Flaws in the evidence can be (and have been) pointed out, but you don't seem to accept that. In not accepting reasonable arguments as part of the debate is making you look foolish at best.

As now I'm am understanding you debating strategy, I will ask some closed questions that require only yes/no responses.

1, Do you know for certain the P1 in the GIF was being driven through the sequence of corners at the maximum speed possible? Remember Yes or No.

[Tom75]

Tom73 said:

Obviously. I'd say the P1 was below average though. From my highly objective and educated perspective of course.

Bro, Mum says your alphabetti spaghetti is on the table. So you can stop arguing with strangers on the internet and come and have your tea, otherwise it will be too late for you get your bath before bed time.

PS. our sister has nicked your telly tubbies dvd.

[Disastrous]

This is one of the saddest things I've ever seen.

Why does anyone reply to posters like these? PH moves so fast that st like this would slide off the bottom of the forum in no time. You're just giving oxygen to a pervert by replying.

[anonymous-user]

Disastrous said:

Why does anyone reply to posters like these?

Because, and lets be honest with ourselves here. IT IS FUN AND MAKES US LAUGH........

Thing is, i'll all up for people to have their "favorite car" or whatever, but the odd thing about the OP of this thread is he takes no part in any other parts of Pistonheads. Even comedy hat wearing serial lunatics like 300brake could be found on other parts of the forum, discussing other stuff.
Tom73 has only ever posted about 'eggs and only when he has some sensationalist (and fatally flawed) pseudo argument to make.
I hope/think he enjoys it too, hence my reference to "oh no, here we all go again" in the 6th post on this thread.

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 17th September 15:30

[Monty Python]

Hypothesis:

noun: hypothesis; plural noun: hypotheses

a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.

So where's the further investigation? Where are the facts to prove the point?

[T0MMY]

I can't actually get these .gifs to load; what do they show? The P1 going noticeably slower than the others through one or two corners? By how much?

[snobetter]

Although the whole "which diff is better" is a bit beyond me, I think understand your views on the video clip and the views of the others, I've read through this thread a saw where you quoted someone who wasn't overly impressed with a 12c, but I can't understand where your get your opinion that those who give positive reviews on the P1 are all lying/lazy/PR victims?

Surely someone who's driven it would "tell the truth"?

Not saying there aren't bad reviews (bad as in conclusion not execution...)of the P1, could you link to such reviews? I'd be interested in reading them.

[007 VXR]

Q>
How do you know ALL 4 cars were flatout on those laps ?

A.
YOU DONT!