Watch Ferrari/K'segg make the P1 look slow through Brunchen

[Streetrod]

007 VXR said:

Chris Harris said:

I'm assuming young Tom will be volunteering himself for the 'Ring lap in the 'Egg?

Once he gets the "egg" off his face

Very drool young sir, very drool......

[Tom73]

Pommygranite said:

Tom - what's your educated perspective?

A mixture of bloated gobbledygook and a soaring ego of course, much like any well respected auto journo.

Max_Torque said:

We also have no accurate timing data on that footage, taken on different days. For all we know any of it could be sped up / slowed down to skew the "results" etc.........

Tin foil hat.

You can actually download the raw footage (I have), zero the cars at the apex and check the validity of the gifs by frame skipping forward to when they pass the yellow line. It didn't take me more than 15 minutes so you should be able to do it in a few hours or so.

stevesingo said:

Well do so then. So far you have not answered any persons question with a direct cohesive response. All your responses to legitimate questions are misdirection and evade the point.

So we all wait with baited breath. Demonstrate legitimacy of your GIF analasis?

Also, in case you have not noticed, the responses to your oringinal post do not take issue with your claim because your claim may be incorrect, the issue people have is the evidence you use to support your claim does not really stand up as a reasonable arguement. Flaws in the evidence can be (and have been) pointed out, but you don't seem to accept that. In not accepting reasonable arguments as part of the debate is making you look foolish at best.

It's not "my" gif analysis first of all. I just thought it would be a good for a laugh on PH.

http://www.carthrottle.com/compare-the-mclaren-p1-...

What type of "evidence" would you need? I was kind enough to find the raw footage and it's blatantly obvious from both the descriptions and the footage itself that P1 is going full bore (in it's record attempt) and the One:1 quite clearly isn't. You can argue back and forth about technicalities here and there in an attempt to avoid the glaring embarassement, but if it runs away 0.6 seconds from the P1 without even trying in a very short segment of the track then there's no point in debating whether it could be a little bit faster or slower. It's bloody fast. It's obviously bloody faster than the P1. And it's obviously not even bloody trying. That's all you really need to know. And you're just going to have to find a way to deal with what me and you and everyone else with a functioning set of eyes can spot at a quick glance.

stevesingo said:

1, Do you know for certain the P1 in the GIF was being driven through the sequence of corners at the maximum speed possible? Remember Yes or No.

It's clearly stated in the OP that the footage on the P1 is from their record attempt and neither of the vocal McLaren boys have made any attempts to refute it but rather have resorted to a variety of strawman arguments.

Max_Torque said:

Because, and lets be honest with ourselves here. IT IS FUN AND MAKES US LAUGH........

Thing is, i'll all up for people to have their "favorite car" or whatever, but the odd thing about the OP of this thread is he takes no part in any other parts of Pistonheads. Even comedy hat wearing serial lunatics like 300brake could be found on other parts of the forum, discussing other stuff.
Tom73 has only ever posted about 'eggs and only when he has some sensationalist (and fatally flawed) pseudo argument to make.
I hope/think he enjoys it too, hence my reference to "oh no, here we all go again" in the 6th post on this thread.

No I don't mind. It's fair play.

Fastdruid said:

The sad thing is that there is plenty of really really interesting stuff coming out from Koenigsegg eg:
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2014/05/the-koenigsegg-o...
I suppose that's not bashing the P1 though so Tom73 isn't interested in posting it.

Oh I've done a few of those. Have a look through my post history and see for yourself how it panned out for me.

StottyEvo said:

Keeping on subject, this was the very first thing I noticed On the four car comparison clip it actually pauses when the P1 has a 15degree slip angle compared to where it is supposed to be.

Its blindingly obvious for anyone to see, except Tom apparently

This has been covered already. There are footage where the P1 keeps it together but they are not as quick.

And ultimately the P1 wandering out onto the curb with tire slip is just what it does because it doesn't have an e-diff and underperforms compared to competitors that does have one, like the much heavier 918 for instance. Even a child could understand the basic concept of push+pivot being better than just pivot when you are forcing a change of direction on an object that wants to keep travelling forward where you want it to steer into a corner, but apparently this is a rather difficult concept to grasp for the auto experts on PH.

Chris Harris said:

Good Lord , he's still going. Where does he find the energy?

I'm a bit lost now, at what point did anyone say a P1 was faster than a One-2-One (not sure how you type it)? I'm not aware if anyone independent having even driven the thing.

I'm assuming young Tom will be volunteering himself for the 'Ring lap in the 'Egg?

Oh hey, Chris. Missed you.

I thought you made it very clear that this conversation was beneath you? Did you have a whole new change of heart?

And forget the One:1, I would have expected it to be faster than the older Agera and the heavier 918. Or are you saying the One:1 is potentially a whole whole new thing?

What do you find so whole new fresh and exciting about it if I may ask? Is it how the e-diff makes it go in the direction you point it at? The fat(ter) tires connected to the ground? The low weight and high power to weight ratio? The brake steer (or "ESP" in Koenigsegg speek)? The trick Ohlins dampers fitted in nearly every high performance car on the planet including the 12C GT3 and with 99% certainty the P1 GTR? Truly ground breaking stuff that is. With your god given talent you'll get a good 40 minutes out of that. Can't wait.

Suggestion: "Mega-new thing!"

[dudleybloke]

What was the barometric pressure, air temperature and humidity on the individual runs?

[DonkeyApple]

Is this actually about cars or spanking the Monkey?

[anonymous-user]

I like turtles.

[Chris Harris]

Tom73 said:

Oh hey, Chris. Missed you.

I thought you made it very clear that this conversation was beneath you? Did you have a whole new change of heart?

And forget the One:1, I would have expected it to be faster than the older Agera and the heavier 918. Or are you saying the One:1 is potentially a whole whole new thing?

What do you find so whole new fresh and exciting about it if I may ask? Is it how the e-diff makes it go in the direction you point it at? The fat(ter) tires connected to the ground? The low weight and high power to weight ratio? The brake steer (or "ESP" in Koenigsegg speek)? The trick Ohlins dampers fitted in nearly every high performance car on the planet including the 12C GT3 and with 99% certainty the P1 GTR? Truly ground breaking stuff that is. With your god given talent you'll get a good 40 minutes out of that. Can't wait.

Suggestion: "Mega-new thing!"

Yep, meds need to be stronger Tom.

[Tom73]

Chris Harris said:

Yep, meds need to be stronger Tom.

Then call your doctor? I like you mate but this is really out of my reach...

[anonymous-user]

I'm all for having a democratic vote on the subject, this is a "forum" after all, so:


This video conclusively shows that the ONE:1 is faster than the P1/LA-rari/918:

YES VOTES: 1 (Tom73)

NO VOTES: 1 (me)


Please add you vote to the count people.

[007 VXR]

The video does not show anything, without facts and data..

[Japveesix]

Max_Torque said:

I'm all for having a democratic vote on the subject, this is a "forum" after all, so:


This video conclusively shows that the ONE:1 is faster than the P1/LA-rari/918:

YES VOTES: 2 (Tom73 + ksegger)

NO VOTES: 148 (me + everyone else)


Please add you vote to the count people.

I updated the list with approximate numbers from my own tally of this thread.


Ps. Tom73 seems like a silly petulant and stubborn child with an oddly over-inflated ego and not a lot else to offer.

[Tom73]

Max_Torque said:

I'm all for having a democratic vote on the subject, this is a "forum" after all, so:


This video conclusively shows that the ONE:1 is faster than the P1/LA-rari/918:

YES VOTES: 1 (Tom73)

NO VOTES: 1 (me)


Please add you vote to the count people.

"Thoze who harbor ze jewz, pleaze raize your handz..."

Pitch fork democracy rarely works, mate. You're better off going to the pub and kicking down some unsuspecting victim for wearing the wrong footy shirt.

[Digger]

Japveesix said:

Max_Torque said:

I'm all for having a democratic vote on the subject, this is a "forum" after all, so:


This video conclusively shows that the ONE:1 is faster than the P1/LA-rari/918:

YES VOTES: 2 (Tom73 + ksegger)

NO VOTES: 149 (me + everyone else)


Please add you vote to the count people.

I updated the list with approximate numbers from my own tally of this thread.


Ps. Tom73 seems like a silly petulant and stubborn child with an oddly over-inflated ego and not a lot else to offer.

I thought it only right and proper.

[anonymous-user]

Tom73 said:

Max_Torque said:

I'm all for having a democratic vote on the subject, this is a "forum" after all, so:


This video conclusively shows that the ONE:1 is faster than the P1/LA-rari/918:

YES VOTES: 1

NO VOTES: 4


Please add you vote to the count people.

"Thoze who harbor ze jewz, pleaze raize your handz..."

Pitch fork democracy rarely works, mate. You're better off going to the pub and kicking down some unsuspecting victim for wearing the wrong footy shirt.

So, have an open vote is "undemocratic" now is it?? Seems about as fair as it's possible to be to me?

[Tom73]

Max_Torque said:

So, have an open vote is "undemocratic" now is it?? Seems about as fair as it's possible to be to me?

Haha. Well have at it then. "When all else fails, gather the mob" - every petulant bully in history

[anonymous-user]

Does sound that way. This thread is referred to in the cringeworthy thread over in the lounge.

[anonymous-user]

Tom73 said:

Max_Torque said:

So, have an open vote is "undemocratic" now is it?? Seems about as fair as it's possible to be to me?

Haha. Well have at it then. "When all else fails, gather the mob" - every petulant bully in history

What "mob" is that?

Having a vote gives everyone registered on this forum the chance to vote. They can vote either way, no one is forcing their hand. Fair, as fair can be. I can't influence who vote for which option any more than you can Tom.


Or, are you just afraid of loosing that vote, and having to admit to yourself you are wrong the whole time??

[Tom73]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Ah by my good friend Gallardoguy.

Listen boys, I appreciate a good try-hard when I see one but cowardly displays of bullying and mob behavior doesn't impress me at all. On the contrary it only makes me even more unbearable and cocky, so you might want to rethink your approach if you're actually looking to win this debate.

If not, well then I'll gladly accept your unconditional surrender and will tip my hat to all the lurkers. Either way works for me.

Max_Torque said:

What "mob" is that?

Having a vote gives everyone registered on this forum the chance to vote. They can vote either way, no one is forcing their hand. Fair, as fair can be. I can't influence who vote for which option any more than you can Tom.


Or, are you just afraid of loosing that vote, and having to admit to yourself you are wrong the whole time??

Oh go find a schoolyard and push some kid, already. Get it out of your system.

[007 VXR]

Tom73 said:

Max_Torque said:

So, have an open vote is "undemocratic" now is it?? Seems about as fair as it's possible to be to me?

Haha. Well have at it then. "When all else fails, gather the people that you dont want to listen too" - every petulant bully in history

As for bulying WTF!

[k-ink]

I must confess I grew to love the "Whole new thing" It's always great to see a totally blown away honest reaction. I imagine it was rather like trying to commentate whilst riding a roller coaster, which you are also trying to steer! I think all I'd muster under those conditions would be; "Fuuuuuuuuu...

Chris, when you review the next McLaren, please include a new variation of "Whole new thing" just to make us all chuckle

[BugLebowski]

Tom73 said:

Max_Torque said:

I'm all for having a democratic vote on the subject, this is a "forum" after all, so:


This video conclusively shows that the ONE:1 is faster than the P1/LA-rari/918:

YES VOTES: 1 (Tom73)

NO VOTES: 1 (me)


Please add you vote to the count people.

"Thoze who harbor ze jewz, pleaze raize your handz..."

Pitch fork democracy rarely works, mate. You're better off going to the pub and kicking down some unsuspecting victim for wearing the wrong footy shirt.

Yes that's right compare yourself to the Jews in Nazi Germany.... that will help prove that you're a rational person!