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zeppelin101 said:
Nope, I have piss all to do with Mclaren.
However, I do recognise a blinded fan boy whenever I see one and the evidence there is, I'm afraid, inscrutable.
When you start posting about something that isn't a Koenigsegg and arguing the toss with people who have direct experience with these products you so wonderfully debase at every opportunity based on your armchair hypotheses, then maybe people will start taking you seriously.
Until then, I would bet that every thread you start or derail will end up heading exactly the same way as this one and all the ones before it has.
Also, nowhere in that Chris Harris quote you've dug out does it in any way back up what you're trying to say. Unless you have never read English before.
Well you're making a "armchair hypotheses" that I'm making an "armchair hypotheses". So let's for arguments sake say I've not only driven all these cars but own one or two of them and then rather than addressing the person we can get down to addressing the topic at hand. However, I do recognise a blinded fan boy whenever I see one and the evidence there is, I'm afraid, inscrutable.
When you start posting about something that isn't a Koenigsegg and arguing the toss with people who have direct experience with these products you so wonderfully debase at every opportunity based on your armchair hypotheses, then maybe people will start taking you seriously.
Until then, I would bet that every thread you start or derail will end up heading exactly the same way as this one and all the ones before it has.
Also, nowhere in that Chris Harris quote you've dug out does it in any way back up what you're trying to say. Unless you have never read English before.
Tom73 said:
Well you don't have to. There's more than me who's chimed in on this topic so take your pick. Here's one:
I don't mean to labour the point, but I think you rather misunderstood what I was saying. Questioning whether the McLaren's diff arrangement is technically "superior" or not to electronic or mechanical limited slip options (if such a conclusion even really exists) isn't really what I was taking issue with. More your claims that a few short clips of four vehicles on a single corner can be reasonably and logically assessed in order to accurately determine which is the faster over a 10+ mile course.isaldri said:
Perhaps I can chip in here with a bit of actual driving experience....
...Long and very interesting post
...Long and very interesting post
ManOpener said:
I don't mean to labour the point, but I think you rather misunderstood what I was saying. Questioning whether the McLaren's diff arrangement is technically "superior" or not to electronic or mechanical limited slip options (if such a conclusion even really exists) isn't really what I was taking issue with. More your claims that a few short clips of four vehicles on a single corner can be reasonably and logically assessed in order to accurately determine which is the faster over a 10+ mile course.
I think this pretty well sums up what I mean by armchair hypothesisI've not hypothesised anything actually, beyond the fact you're a clown who is comparing a number of cars by their apparent performance on one corner from a singular piece of footage, with no telemetry or statistical data to back up any of it.
I think that would be what a statistician would call "completely insignificant" in every single sense of the phrase.
ManOpener said:
I don't mean to labour the point, but I think you rather misunderstood what I was saying. Questioning whether the McLaren's diff arrangement is technically "superior" or not to electronic or mechanical limited slip options (if such a conclusion even really exists) isn't really what I was taking issue with. More your claims that a few short clips of four vehicles on a single corner can be reasonably and logically assessed in order to accurately determine which is the faster over a 10+ mile course.
Fair enough. My point however is that the McLaren can be excluded from the company based on it being so helplessly left behind compacted by visible driving characteristics that relatively speaking strongly suggests the need of less weight, bigger tires, more power and a electronic-hydraulic differential to steer it into the corners and help it maintain a bit of traction when one wheel slips. Furthermore it's anything but a "whole new thing" as previously suggested by the british auto press. Tom73 said:
Well then I suppose you're just the type that's easily impressed by d-list celebrities.
I once met Barbara Windsor on a holiday in 1986. Does that help my credentials?So, this is quite good fun.
Are you actually a secret super car owner who has a P1, an Egg and pretty much everything else - which you might just be. They do exist in the oddest places. And are you also blessed with a talent to drive them in a way most owners cannot? Again, quite possible. In which case, just come out with it, pitch up to a track, meet me and show me exactly what you mean about the P1's diff issues and general lack of speed. I'll bring some data equipment and, say, an F12 and you can bring your 'Egg and P1 and show me why I was wrong and 'lazy' to be completely mind-fecked by the P1 when I drove it.
If none of the above applies, and I really have no idea if it does or not, then get back to watching videos and making absurd statements because, much like watching a very drunk person loose bladder control, it makes rather good spectator sport.
t we may have been wrong, the internet has thrown up truth in some of Toms comments.
TheJimi said:
Max_Torque said:
Wait a minute, a tread about Koenigsegg being "amazing, like, init" by Tom73. Hmmm, i smell a rat!
(seriously, if you want to be part of pistonheads, it would be nice if you might perhaps consider posting on some other subjects as well ;-)
(seriously, if you want to be part of pistonheads, it would be nice if you might perhaps consider posting on some other subjects as well ;-)
Looked at the thread title, saw the poster, thought:
Tom73 said:
Fair enough. My point however is that the McLaren can be excluded from the company based on it being so helplessly left behind compacted by visible driving characteristics that relatively speaking strongly suggests the need of less weight, bigger tires, more power and a electronic-hydraulic differential to steer it into the corners and help it maintain a bit of traction when one wheel slips. Furthermore it's anything but a "whole new thing" as previously suggested by the british auto press.
I'm just going to point and laugh. 
zeppelin101 said:
I think this pretty well sums up what I mean by armchair hypothesis
I've not hypothesised anything actually, beyond the fact you're a clown who is comparing a number of cars by their apparent performance on one corner from a singular piece of footage, with no telemetry or statistical data to back up any of it.
I think that would be what a statistician would call "completely insignificant" in every single sense of the phrase.
The P1 didn't beat the 918's 6:57. And that's a heavy car with a lot of weight working against the friction of the tires. Those are crystal clear stats. I've not hypothesised anything actually, beyond the fact you're a clown who is comparing a number of cars by their apparent performance on one corner from a singular piece of footage, with no telemetry or statistical data to back up any of it.
I think that would be what a statistician would call "completely insignificant" in every single sense of the phrase.
Chris Harris said:
Tom73 said:
Well then I suppose you're just the type that's easily impressed by d-list celebrities.
I once met Barbara Windsor on a holiday in 1986. Does that help my credentials?So, this is quite good fun.
Are you actually a secret super car owner who has a P1, an Egg and pretty much everything else - which you might just be. They do exist in the oddest places. And are you also blessed with a talent to drive them in a way most owners cannot? Again, quite possible. In which case, just come out with it, pitch up to a track, meet me and show me exactly what you mean about the P1's diff issues and general lack of speed. I'll bring some data equipment and, say, an F12 and you can bring your 'Egg and P1 and show me why I was wrong and 'lazy' to be completely mind-fecked by the P1 when I drove it.
If none of the above applies, and I really have no idea if it does or not, then get back to watching videos and making absurd statements because, much like watching a very drunk person loose bladder control, it makes rather good spectator sport.
Tom73 said:
So let's for arguments sake say I've not only driven all these cars but own one or two of them.
Why should anyone say for argument's sake you have driven all and own more than one of the cars discussed?You either have driven all of the cars discussed, or have not driven all of the cars discussed.
You either own one or more of the cars discussed or you don't own one or more of the cars discussed.
RemaL said:
ow now Mr Harris I don't feel you need to reply to forum banter. Don't waste your time. let others do that for you
It's become impossible* to know on PH these days whether a post like this is ironic or a candidate for the "most cringeworthy thread" thread.- excpet for Tom73; it's abundantly clear that his posts are in the latter category.
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