Watch Ferrari/K'segg make the P1 look slow through Brunchen
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Tom73 said:
Fair enough. My point however is that the McLaren can be excluded from the company based on it being so helplessly left behind compacted by visible driving characteristics that relatively speaking strongly suggests the need of less weight, bigger tires, more power and a electronic-hydraulic differential to steer it into the corners and help it maintain a bit of traction when one wheel slips. Furthermore it's anything but a "whole new thing" as previously suggested by the british auto press.
Can it? To me, it sounds like you're trying to claim your own- very likely biased, and still not clearly merit-worthy given your apparent reluctance to discuss any credence you have on the issue- opinions, based solely on video footage rather than direct experience, are empirical fact. Which is very nice and all, but unless you can actually prove any of the claims you've made, they are simply, as another post very rightly states, armchair hypotheses. Hypotheses that appear to go against the comments of at least one individual in this thread who has a great deal of direct experience in high performance automotive engineering, who, as I've already stated, I (and likely any other informed, rational external observer) is likely to trust the views of over yours. RemaL said:
ow now Mr Harris I don't feel you need to reply to forum banter. Don't waste your time. let others do that for you
No, I do - because sometimes these people turn out to be the real deal and I get to drive a P1 and a 918 again!Remember, back in the day, no one believed Flemke owned his McLaren F1....
ManOpener said:
Can it? To me, it sounds like you're trying to claim your own- very likely biased, and still not clearly merit-worth- opinions, based solely on video footage rather than direct experience, are empirical fact. Which is very nice and all, but unless you can actually prove any of the claims you've made, they are simply, as another post very rightly states, armchair hypotheses. Hypotheses that appear to go against the comments of at least one individual in this thread who has a great deal of direct experience in high performance automotive engineering, who, as I've already stated, I (and likely any other informed, rational external observer) is likely to trust the views of over yours.
Interesting. To me it seems like we have a bunch of visual evidence and guys blindly arguing against it. Tom73 said:
The P1 didn't beat the 918's 6:57. And that's a heavy car with a lot of weight working against the friction of the tires. Those are crystal clear stats.
A time wasn't officially released, so unless you know something the rest of us don't and can back it up, that is purely conjecture.Besides which, nurburgring lap times are completely unregulated, not the best basis for any significant comparison in all honesty.
And if you say "they never told us so that says it all" then that is the most limp-wristed excuse available to try and back up any such claim.
Have you heard of the phrase "data driven"? That is something that is definitely not being applied to anything you have posted in this thread or several others.
Here's a working example. I'm working on the statistical flow rate spread of a whole batch of injectors at work. If I was to follow the logic you have so far applied to this thread, I would flow one injector, compare it to my nominal result and then report that percentage out to the business. Tell me, does that sound logical? Instead, I think I might compare hundreds of injector flow rates and get a significant statistical analysis, rather than comparing a single point in time where the number of variables are vast.
Edited by zeppelin101 on Tuesday 16th September 15:42
Edited by zeppelin101 on Tuesday 16th September 15:46
zeppelin101 said:
A time wasn't officially released, so unless you know something the rest of us don't and can back it up, that is purely conjecture.
Besides which, nurburgring lap times are completely unregulated, not the best basis for any significant comparison in all honesty.
Is it? They said they were going to break the record and they didn't. Or at least I'm assuming they didn't because they made such a big deal of it and then waffled. I think that's a fair assumption.Besides which, nurburgring lap times are completely unregulated, not the best basis for any significant comparison in all honesty.
McLaren obviously thought it had some significance.
Anyhow I'm getting a bit late so you boys will have to do without me for a few hours.
Tom73 said:
Is it? They said they were going to break the record and they didn't. Or at least I'm assuming they didn't because they made such a big deal of it and then waffled. I think that's a fair assumption.
What is it they say about assumption?The mother of all F*+k ups I seem to remember...
Tom73 said:
Is it? They said they were going to break the record and they didn't. Or at least I'm assuming they didn't because they made such a big deal of it and then waffled. I think that's a fair assumption.
McLaren obviously thought it had some significance.
Anyhow I'm getting a bit late so you boys will have to do without me for a few hours.
You seem to favour assumptions. ....McLaren obviously thought it had some significance.
Anyhow I'm getting a bit late so you boys will have to do without me for a few hours.
Tom73 said:
ManOpener said:
Can it? To me, it sounds like you're trying to claim your own- very likely biased, and still not clearly merit-worth- opinions, based solely on video footage rather than direct experience, are empirical fact. Which is very nice and all, but unless you can actually prove any of the claims you've made, they are simply, as another post very rightly states, armchair hypotheses. Hypotheses that appear to go against the comments of at least one individual in this thread who has a great deal of direct experience in high performance automotive engineering, who, as I've already stated, I (and likely any other informed, rational external observer) is likely to trust the views of over yours.
Interesting. To me it seems like we have a bunch of visual evidence and guys blindly arguing against it. Lots of fanboyism here, it's the same as the Rosberg/Hamilton debate, all driven by nationalism really, you all should be ashamed of your lack of logic.
I can't comment on which is best, I haven't driven any of them and never will, but I can comment that only Porsche have released a time (afaik even Koenigsegg haven't) and that generally speaking I don't consider brake based faux-diffs to be on par with proper diffs, though MT will no doubt shout me down on this because modern car electronics are the best
thing ever and completely infallible.
Not convinced by the egg either mind, GPS based suspension settings? Bleh. Though if you watch CvK's videos he is rather a clever chap and extremely passionate, even if his cars are laggy wooshers
I shan't be drawn any further than this, just felt the need to give poor Tom a little boost while you lot resort to poking fun and gang up like playground bullies.
I can't comment on which is best, I haven't driven any of them and never will, but I can comment that only Porsche have released a time (afaik even Koenigsegg haven't) and that generally speaking I don't consider brake based faux-diffs to be on par with proper diffs, though MT will no doubt shout me down on this because modern car electronics are the best
thing ever and completely infallible.
Not convinced by the egg either mind, GPS based suspension settings? Bleh. Though if you watch CvK's videos he is rather a clever chap and extremely passionate, even if his cars are laggy wooshers
I shan't be drawn any further than this, just felt the need to give poor Tom a little boost while you lot resort to poking fun and gang up like playground bullies.
Odd thread
- first thought, hadn't school holidays finished.
- second thought, is this citylad/Apollo or Phil Bennett under a different account.
All a bit odd that someone can get so worked up over something with such little evidence and ultimately, who really cares!
Day release might be about right
- first thought, hadn't school holidays finished.
- second thought, is this citylad/Apollo or Phil Bennett under a different account.
All a bit odd that someone can get so worked up over something with such little evidence and ultimately, who really cares!
Day release might be about right
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