RE: Audi TT Ultra and Sport: Driven
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Wow - PH recommending the Derv variant.... as a company car choice perhaps but really ?
Owing both a 3 litre V6 diesel Audi and 2.0 tfsi petrol Audis - while neither wrapped up as TT's accepted - both power and torque is superior in the diesel on paper I take the petrol everytime a nice road journey presents itself.
Okay the petrol has a manual gearbox but its power delivery, rev ability and torque, even sound are far superior in the tfsi, and a better engine plant in every way to any enthusiast.
I therefore fail to see how a 4 pot derv can be that much improved over the petrol esp when pushing 230 hp these days. I'd love to be proved wrong though.
Owing both a 3 litre V6 diesel Audi and 2.0 tfsi petrol Audis - while neither wrapped up as TT's accepted - both power and torque is superior in the diesel on paper I take the petrol everytime a nice road journey presents itself.
Okay the petrol has a manual gearbox but its power delivery, rev ability and torque, even sound are far superior in the tfsi, and a better engine plant in every way to any enthusiast.
I therefore fail to see how a 4 pot derv can be that much improved over the petrol esp when pushing 230 hp these days. I'd love to be proved wrong though.
scherzkeks said:
Your last statement is true, but you again fail to consider that vehicles are built via compromise, even purebred race machines.
When comparing cars, I do so in context. - If I judged my own Discovery by the same standards that I use for sports cars, it would fare about as well as a Boxster would at green laning...scherzkeks said:
There is no perfect chassis. When talking about road cars, I simply don't experience this massive disparity between driving hell and nirvana on a chassis that has 5% less weight on its front axle vs. a quattro TT. And the benefits of AWD balance the package out nicely.
...and when you're assessing a car against others in it's class, small differences are magnified. When you say "driving hell and nirvana", we must forget lap times, unless the number on the stopwatch is your sole turn-on, and acknowledge that we're into the realm of personal opinion. Re. the TT; for me it's not solely the fact that it has more weight over the nose (more so in the previous-gen cars, less of an issue now) or the fact that I don't like that type of AWD system in performance cars. It's both together (mainly the latter TBH but it always accompanies the former due to layout).- If you gave me a Freelander 2, with both a front-mounted engine and Haldex AWD) and asked what I think of it, I'd reply (favourably) based on a completely different set of standards.
scherzkeks said:
Yes, I do. It's one of the most enjoyable coupés I've driven. It's small, light, has a short wheelbase, and with the S54 has silly power for the chassis. On the flip side, as a pure performance tool it is unstable, has an imbalanced weight dist. for a rear driver, and its chassis is made of spaghetti, but in terms of fun, there aren't many cars I've driven which come close.
Finally, something we agree on. 
Re. stability: As with aircraft, the most agile (best performing at the limit) also tend to be the most skittish. The challenge is learning to master them. Sometimes, I crave that challenge even if I'm not the best at it. - I enjoy improving.
Maybe the chap really would like a silent sports car (well, one that sounded of road and wind noise, I guess). It is a bit of a weird thing to want, but each to his own 
For me, the saddest thing about electric sports cars (which is what our kids will drive) is that you will lose the gorgeous sound of a flat 6 or a high-revving V8. Gorgeous to my ears, at least.
For me, the saddest thing about electric sports cars (which is what our kids will drive) is that you will lose the gorgeous sound of a flat 6 or a high-revving V8. Gorgeous to my ears, at least.
Yup, different people like different things. For me there's two reasons I'd want an electric sports car - firstly the noise (or rather lack of it) and secondly the fact that the horrendous inefficiencies of using an internal combustion engine to directly drive the wheels of a car offends my sense of engineering elegance.
ETA: Having said that I do like internal combustion engines, the accuracy of the engineering in them fascinates me, but from a driving point of view, I just want the engine to give me a nice linear chunk of torque with as little fuss as possible.
ETA: Having said that I do like internal combustion engines, the accuracy of the engineering in them fascinates me, but from a driving point of view, I just want the engine to give me a nice linear chunk of torque with as little fuss as possible.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 18th September 14:18
Ditto. I think we'll have to agree to differ.
Or at least I'll agree to differ, you'll agree to refuse to differ.
This has all got rather off topic from me taking objection to someone calling the TT a "turd" anyway. I don't even like the thing.
Or at least I'll agree to differ, you'll agree to refuse to differ.
This has all got rather off topic from me taking objection to someone calling the TT a "turd" anyway. I don't even like the thing.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 18th September 14:21
kambites said:
This has all got rather off topic from me taking objection to someone calling the TT a "turd" anyway. I don't even like the thing.
I am a little upset now as I was enjoying you defending the TT as it made a nice pleasant change to everyone slating it! Edited by kambites on Thursday 18th September 14:21
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