RE: Audi TT Ultra and Sport: Driven
Discussion
So many sweeping statements - my wife has had her TT for 3 years and loves it.
She likes her cars and has had a string of reasonably sporting cars from several Fiat X/19's and a Porsche 924S prior to kids and more recently three Mini Cooper S before getting the TT.
To respond to some of the comments:
- it's a decent enough place to sit
- it's a v6 so makes a nice sound
- it IS practical for a coupe, with good loadspace if back seats are down (just as practical as a small hatchback like the Mini)
- we don't care what others think of what car we drive - when my son was learning to drive, we would often drive his modest car around rather than use one of our own
A TT is never going to rival say a Lotus or a Boxster for driver feedback but that doesn't mean its a bad car.
My experience is that because the TT doesn't handle as well as other cars we have owned, there is actually some real pleasure in getting towards it's limits and trying to avoid the dreaded Understeer whilst hustling it along. Many of the modern performance cars are just so capable and so fast that you just can't get near their limits on the public road without driving recklessly.
Whilst the Gallactic Emperor would like a Cayman S for her next car, that will be £10K more expensive than the new TTS that will also be on her short-list and which will demand serious consideration.
She likes her cars and has had a string of reasonably sporting cars from several Fiat X/19's and a Porsche 924S prior to kids and more recently three Mini Cooper S before getting the TT.
To respond to some of the comments:
- it's a decent enough place to sit
- it's a v6 so makes a nice sound
- it IS practical for a coupe, with good loadspace if back seats are down (just as practical as a small hatchback like the Mini)
- we don't care what others think of what car we drive - when my son was learning to drive, we would often drive his modest car around rather than use one of our own
A TT is never going to rival say a Lotus or a Boxster for driver feedback but that doesn't mean its a bad car.
My experience is that because the TT doesn't handle as well as other cars we have owned, there is actually some real pleasure in getting towards it's limits and trying to avoid the dreaded Understeer whilst hustling it along. Many of the modern performance cars are just so capable and so fast that you just can't get near their limits on the public road without driving recklessly.
Whilst the Gallactic Emperor would like a Cayman S for her next car, that will be £10K more expensive than the new TTS that will also be on her short-list and which will demand serious consideration.
Did the article really say a nice sounding diesel?
I've yet to hear a pleasant sounding 4 cylinder diesel. In fact, I've yet to hear a diesel of any configuration which sounds remotely as good as the equivalent petrol. Only half decent diesels I've heard are 6 or 8 cylinders, and they sound OK at best imo.
Seems odd to not offer the economical gearbox with the economical diesel?
Lol at the person saying he tried one and said it had poor traction and was slow? Did you then decide to try a more powerful quattro?
I've yet to hear a pleasant sounding 4 cylinder diesel. In fact, I've yet to hear a diesel of any configuration which sounds remotely as good as the equivalent petrol. Only half decent diesels I've heard are 6 or 8 cylinders, and they sound OK at best imo.
Seems odd to not offer the economical gearbox with the economical diesel?
Lol at the person saying he tried one and said it had poor traction and was slow? Did you then decide to try a more powerful quattro?
t stupid statement 
E65Ross said:
Did the article really say a nice sounding diesel?
I've yet to hear a pleasant sounding 4 cylinder diesel. In fact, I've yet to hear a diesel of any configuration which sounds remotely as good as the equivalent petrol. Only half decent diesels I've heard are 6 or 8 cylinders, and they sound OK at best imo.
Seems odd to not offer the economical gearbox with the economical diesel?
Lol at the person saying he tried one and said it had poor traction and was slow? Did you then decide to try a more powerful quattro?
I do think its a bit silly not to offer the diesel as an auto with the 4wd, because if I was in a position to have a coupe (im not) It would be the spec I would be tempted by on the TT for my current driving duties. FWD is just a waste in a coupe whether diesel or petrol, unless you go down the RCZ R route type of thing with LSD's etc but that has never been the TT's way.I've yet to hear a pleasant sounding 4 cylinder diesel. In fact, I've yet to hear a diesel of any configuration which sounds remotely as good as the equivalent petrol. Only half decent diesels I've heard are 6 or 8 cylinders, and they sound OK at best imo.
Seems odd to not offer the economical gearbox with the economical diesel?
Lol at the person saying he tried one and said it had poor traction and was slow? Did you then decide to try a more powerful quattro?
Shame as SEAT seem to make the fwd work with the same chassis and engine range.
Krikkit said:
Theallotmentman said:
The noise is still the issue and will be until they find a way to make diesels sound better.
I think it needs an extra cylinder (or 4!) to help solve the noise issue. They'll all sound awful at idle, but a 5-pot diesel sounds rather excellent, as does the V8 in the newish RRs.kambites said:
Unsurprising to see them playing to the core strengths of the previous versions, really. I'm sure it'll comprehensively outsell the "sportier" competition.
The mk1 was an amazing piece of design IMO, and while they've worked on the drive they've toned down the design element. I might be odd but the A5 is much better looking than this.
Mr Whippy said:
150mph with 184bhp for the diesel?
Must be a very slippy aero design?!
I have this engine (I think) in my Amarok. It moves that along reasonably well with 180bhp but the article says it sounds nice.... it really doesn't. It sounds right in the truck but in a car it would sound like a truck should.Must be a very slippy aero design?!
Can't see why you would want one in a Golf never mind a TT.
aarondbs said:
I have this engine (I think) in my Amarok. It moves that along reasonably well with 180bhp but the article says it sounds nice.... it really doesn't. It sounds right in the truck but in a car it would sound like a truck should.
Can't see why you would want one in a Golf never mind a TT.
the amarok uses a completely different engine which is agricultural as hell, i run a manual one and its horrid in comparison to this new 184ps.Can't see why you would want one in a Golf never mind a TT.
We also run a Skoda vRS 184ps (same engine as the TT) and its been on the dyno at 239bhp and 520nm using the dtuk crdt+ system.
As an engine this new 184 is superb and it would be my engine of choice in a TT
ORD said:
Apparently the new diesel V8 in the Cayenne also sounds good. It's the 4 pots that are a real problem(although, saying that, I think a lot of 6 cyl diesels also sound bad - e.g. the 335d).
^^^ This.I've got a 328i F30 3 series now (4 pot turbo) and, even though it's petrol and it's very effective and 12 years younger, I don't half miss the sound of my old 6-cyl 330i E46. Mrs DaveR has a 2.0d F25 X3 and the engine suits it but I wouldn't want it in a 3 series. It might be a different proposition in a 5 series with all the extra sound insulation.
Good to see Audi taking on BMW in mega-sounding consumption figures that are completely unachievable in the real world!
Ending on a positive though, a1300Kg EU weight is pretty impressive. Quite a lot less than a Cayman (driven wheels same end of the car as the engine, hence the comparison before anyone asks...)
ORD said:
A4 with crap back seats.
I cant see the point at all, to be honest. It's not a sports car. It's not a saloon. It's not even a practical hatchback.
The TT isn't meant to be a A4 coupe, that's the job of the A5. I cant see the point at all, to be honest. It's not a sports car. It's not a saloon. It's not even a practical hatchback.
I do find it amazing how quickly people are keen to jump on the it's not a sports car because whilst on a track being pushing hard it can be made to understeer - shock horror many cars that can be made to understeer on a track will behave perfectly fine within the range of driving that is achievable on the road.
Shambler said:
In fairness the mpg quoted for the diesel is a bit silly! I have the same engine in my Octavia vrs and struggle to get 45mpg
They are getting ridiculous aren't they. At some point, around 2018-2019 they will be claiming 160 or 170 mpg and everyone will just instantly knock the 1 off the front to see what we will actually be getting.aka_kerrly said:
ORD said:
A4 with crap back seats.
I cant see the point at all, to be honest. It's not a sports car. It's not a saloon. It's not even a practical hatchback.
The TT isn't meant to be a A4 coupe, that's the job of the A5. I cant see the point at all, to be honest. It's not a sports car. It's not a saloon. It's not even a practical hatchback.
I do find it amazing how quickly people are keen to jump on the it's not a sports car because whilst on a track being pushing hard it can be made to understeer - shock horror many cars that can be made to understeer on a track will behave perfectly fine within the range of driving that is achievable on the road.
I also don't buy this "you cant tell on the road" nonsense. If you cant feel the difference between a car that tends to understeer a lot and one that doesn't, even at very legal and safe speeds, you aren't paying attention! It isn't so much that the shopping car will actually lose bite at the front and push wide - which many will do at relatively low speed - more that the feeling of a car that does that is noticeable well below the limits, and it neither inspires confidence nor is much fun.
If being an understeer-happy diesel doesn't stop a car being a sports car, what does? Does a car just have to say "sports car" in the marketing material?
In conclusion, it will sell like hot cakes.
AbyssRS said:
aarondbs said:
I have this engine (I think) in my Amarok. It moves that along reasonably well with 180bhp but the article says it sounds nice.... it really doesn't. It sounds right in the truck but in a car it would sound like a truck should.
Can't see why you would want one in a Golf never mind a TT.
the amarok uses a completely different engine which is agricultural as hell, i run a manual one and its horrid in comparison to this new 184ps.Can't see why you would want one in a Golf never mind a TT.
We also run a Skoda vRS 184ps (same engine as the TT) and its been on the dyno at 239bhp and 520nm using the dtuk crdt+ system.
As an engine this new 184 is superb and it would be my engine of choice in a TT
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