RE: Audi TT Ultra and Sport: Driven

[C.A.R.]

Sod the boring TDI, but if that petrol ever got even high-30s it would be a fantastic daily commuter car.

No, it's not a sportscar but I don't ever remember anyone saying it was? It's a nice place to be which happens to be a nice coupé (there aren't enough coupés!!).

[Lost soul]

MJ85 said:

GTEYE said:

Lost soul said:

Gandahar said:

Shambler said:

In fairness the mpg quoted for the diesel is a bit silly! I have the same engine in my Octavia vrs and struggle to get 45mpg

They are getting ridiculous aren't they. At some point, around 2018-2019 they will be claiming 160 or 170 mpg and everyone will just instantly knock the 1 off the front to see what we will actually be getting.

What kind of driving are you guys doing , I have a 07 3lt TDi A5 and am averaging 41mpg over the last 8k miles , and that's not nursing it

You guys aren't trying...this is from my Beemer

OK so my car has st fuel consumption

[Lost soul]

cerb4.5lee said:

I could be wrong but I thought the last tdi TT was quattro.

Yes they did offer that

[marcgti6]

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks it looks awful. That front end is horrific.

The interior looks great (as expected) but the rest of the car looks almost impossibly dull.

Tragic really. The first TT was quite special back in 1998. Now, in my eyes, it's just another dull VAG product. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it'll be quite an accomplished car but does it inspire me to walk into my nearest VAG dealership for a closer look? Not a chance!

Audi TT Ultra - an awful name too.

Edited by marcgti6 on Thursday 18th September 09:49

[ORD]

It really is an epic turd, but the PH massive will defend any Audi or other aspirational brand until the cows come home.

[kambites]

ORD said:

It really is an epic turd, but the PH massive will defend any Audi or other aspirational brand until the cows come home.

That'll be why the previous version outsold all of its competition, probably combined. This one will do exactly the same thing.

[ORD]

kambites said:

ORD said:

It really is an epic turd, but the PH massive will defend any Audi or other aspirational brand until the cows come home.

That'll be why the previous version outsold all of its competition, probably combined.

Quite right. We all know that the typical punter buys cars based on objective characteristics rather than brand and marketing.

[Clivey]

scherzkeks said:

Not particularly interested in this car. I usually wait until you chime in on any Audi thread in the hopes that one of the self-appointed PH Driving Gods will pat you on the head.

I see that reading comprehension stil isn't your strong point.

To be honest, I've told you, plenty of times, why I don't like certain models and you should take it at face value. It seems that you just can't get your head around the fact that not everyone shares your personal preferences - whether you choose to accept criticism or create a conspiracy theory is up to you.

Re. the "Driving God" nonsense: Regardless of an enthusiast's ability, I'd venture that most would find the challenge of mastering and making the most of a truly great driver's car much more rewarding and satisfying than something that by comparison drives itself.

[kambites]

ORD said:

Quite right. We all know that the typical punter buys cars based on objective characteristics rather than brand and marketing.

Genuinely poor cars rarely sell in huge numbers, whatever badge they have on the nose.

[ORD]

kambites said:

ORD said:

Quite right. We all know that the typical punter buys cars based on objective characteristics rather than brand and marketing.

Genuinely poor cars rarely sell in huge numbers, whatever badge they have on the nose.

That's a fair point. I should qualify "turd" - all modern cars for this kind of money are pretty good and perfectly adequate for most people's wants and needs. The average TT buyer is unlikely to notice that it handles like a shopping car, and if they like the look of it (God knows why), then they like the look of it.

By "turd", I really mean "insipid car for the money and given the marketing hype". It's basically a typical Audi saloon in all but having small back seats and looking, to some people, "sporty".

[kambites]

I still think that's unfair. It's not aimed at driving enthusiasts so criticizing it for not driving especially well is missing the point. To the vast majority of people buying "sports cars", the TT is simply a better car than the Cayman because it looks better, is more practical and has a nicer interior and that's where their priorities like.

Much the same reason that for most people the Cayman is a better car than the Exige. Personally, I'd buy the Exige because I care more about things like control feel than cuddly plastics, but I'm in a tiny minority. That doesn't mean I think the Exige is a better car than the Cayman or the TT, it's just more to my taste.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 18th September 10:02

[ORD]

kambites said:

I still think that's unfair. It's not aimed at driving enthusiasts so criticizing it for not driving especially well is missing the point. To the vast majority of people buying "sports cars", the TT is simply a better car than the Cayman because it looks better, is more practical and has a nicer interior and that's where their priorities like.

Much the same reason that for most people the Cayman is a better car than the Exige. Personally, I'd buy the Exige because I care more about things like control feel than cuddly plastics, but I'm in a tiny minority. That doesn't mean I think the Exige is a better car than the Cayman or the TT, it's just more to my taste.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 18th September 10:02

Nah. That's nonsense

The Cayman and the Exige are better and worse at different things, so your point holds good there. Different cars.

Aside from looks, in relation to which people obviously have different views, the only reason to prefer the TT to a Cayman is that it is cheaper to buy and run. It is no more practical, is much worse to drive, etc etc.

[kambites]

ORD said:

Aside from looks, in relation to which people obviously have different views, the only reason to prefer the TT to a Cayman is that it is cheaper to buy and run. It is no more practical, is much worse to drive, etc etc.

How can you possibly believe the TT is no more practical than a Cayman? Show me a Cayman with four seats (however small) or a boot like this:



You'd get a fridge in there if you wanted to.

[ORD]

kambites said:

ORD said:

Aside from looks, in relation to which people obviously have different views, the only reason to prefer the TT to a Cayman is that it is cheaper to buy and run. It is no more practical, is much worse to drive, etc etc.

How can you possibly believe the TT is no more practical than a Cayman? Show me a Cayman with four seats (however small) or a boot like this:



You'd get a fridge in there if you wanted to.

Fair point re back seats (although who actually uses the seats in a 2+2?), but the Cayman has plenty of boot space, and I doubt that anyone actually uses that loading capacity in a TT. It is a theoretical advantage that I doubt matters at all for 99% of buyers.

[kambites]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Of course, the Cayman does lots of things better but the point is, so does the TT.

I'd never buy a TT or a Cayman - they're both far too heavy and numb feeling for my taste, but they're both good cars which are good at different things.

[scherzkeks]

Clivey said:

I see that reading comprehension stil isn't your strong point.

To be honest, I've told you, plenty of times, why I don't like certain models and you should take it at face value. It seems that you just can't get your head around the fact that not everyone shares your personal preferences - whether you choose to accept criticism or create a conspiracy theory is up to you.

Re. the "Driving God" nonsense: Regardless of an enthusiast's ability, I'd venture that most would find the challenge of mastering and making the most of a truly great driver's car much more rewarding and satisfying than something that by comparison drives itself.

There are great driver's and performance cars in all configurations and from many manufacturers. I don't even like TTs (or most of Audi's product range), but all I have to do to get you to post veritable walls of outrageous text is just post a few lap times and balancing statements about the TT's actual performance. The subjective is not the objective.

[Clivey]

Yes; the TT Coupé is more practical

- Than the Z4 Coupé because of the rear seats
- Than the 370Z, Cayman etc. because of the rear seats and the shape of the boot.

And sort-of ties with the 1-Series Coupé, which has more practical rear seats but a smaller boot opening.

That (more interior space) [i]is[//i] one of the advantages of using a platform that's based around the FF layout. As a practical coupé for those that don't care about handling, it's a good little car. As a sports car, it leaves a lot to be desired. I can't say fairer than that.

[kambites]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I don't think anyone would argue that the TT is as good as a sports car as the Cayman (well except possibly scherzkeks), just as I don't think anyone would actually argue that the Cayman is as good as the Exige at being a sports car. The TT is, however, just as good a car as the Cayman or the Exige and the reasons for buying one are just as valid.

[Prawnboy]

kambites said:

Genuinely poor cars rarely sell in huge numbers, whatever badge they have on the nose.

in this day and age genuinely poor cars are few and far between, so you have to talk in relative terms.

I dare say the, (relatively), rubbish BMW X1 has shifted more units for having that badge on the front, than if it were the same car with citreon badge on.

look at Lexus, Infinity & the Citroen DS brand. if badges didn't matter why would companies invest loads of time and money trying to launch separate badges to promote more 'premium' vehicles. It's because that toyota know they will shift more of those cars than they would if they were the exact same car with the toyota badge on.

If you offered the average punter a brand knew Seat exeo, or a second hand audi A4 b7, i would bet that at least 8/10 would take the audi although its ostensibly the same car and older.

badges matter to sales, it would be great if they didn't but they do.

[Clivey]

scherzkeks said:

There are great driver's and performance cars in all configurations and from many manufacturers. I don't even like TTs (or most of Audi's product range), but all I have to do to get you to post veritable walls of outrageous text is just post a few lap times and balancing statements about the TT's actual performance. The subjective is not the objective.

I can't be bothered going down this route again (discussing the legitimacy and relevance of certain tests or lap times - see my replies in other threads) but what I will say is that you cannot defy physics, no matter how hard you try.

I notice that you like the M Coupé (Z3), by the way. - What is it that appeals to you personally? Iit seems at odds with what you've posted in the various threads re. Golf-platform cars.