National speed limit zones disappearing fast!
Discussion
robinessex said:
JohnnyJones said:
Yeah, we're getting the traffic islands too. If it's a new national policy I'm surprised one of the motoring organisations hasn't made a fuss about it going through parliament. Unless I missed it.
Have a look at ABD website. You do belong to it, don't you?Them and national government.
Do you remember when these things were decided nationally?
Dont let anyone kid you into it being safer either. Is it better to think for yourself or devolve thinking to someone else?
Complacency rules
lbc said:
What I don't understand is why when a main road is reduced from NSL to 50mph, but the narrow side roads remain at NSL.
Does not make any sense.
It proves the political nature of the changes in mostly being all about making road journeys using trunk roads and motorways less attractive thereby creating more of a perceived captive market for the big public transport rail investors etc.All dressed up under the 'environmental' and 'safety' agenda.Does not make any sense.
cootuk said:
"Managed" motorways set to 50mph.
60mph reduced to 50mph
40mph ring roads reduced to 30mph
30mph residential zones reduced to 20mph.
Idiots still ignore the speed limits as there's little enforcement.
I don't think there's much chance of not getting caught under the present regime.People seem to underestimate the firepower which is directed against them in the ongoing ever increasing war against the motorist.The fact is we are in the middle of a concerted political agenda that's all about making car use as unattractive as possible with the enforcement to back it up with the obvious enforcement priority being directed towards fast longer distance use than local slower use.60mph reduced to 50mph
40mph ring roads reduced to 30mph
30mph residential zones reduced to 20mph.
Idiots still ignore the speed limits as there's little enforcement.
Worcestershire is going the same way also.
Also, a lot of towns are going to 20's. Plus whenever someone has an accident on the road, it's an instant 20mph drop in speed limit enforced as it's clearly a dangerous road.
As someone else mentioned, now just have a lack of respect for speed limits as there is no need for a lot of them.
The one thing Worcestershire has going for it is a lack of police presence on the road, permeant speed cameras, or mobile cameras.
Also, a lot of towns are going to 20's. Plus whenever someone has an accident on the road, it's an instant 20mph drop in speed limit enforced as it's clearly a dangerous road.
As someone else mentioned, now just have a lack of respect for speed limits as there is no need for a lot of them.
The one thing Worcestershire has going for it is a lack of police presence on the road, permeant speed cameras, or mobile cameras.
shoestring7 said:
Not seen this so much in West Sussex but as soon as I cross the border into Surrey all the NSL's are now 50s. They are, however, rarely policed so I treat them as the arbitrary, anachronistic, technical regulations they are.
SS7
Which is the type of logic which makes the policy more dangerous than before.IE large speed differentials and what seems like lane hogging on multi lane duals but isn't,because of the conflict between those who don't believe that 'they' are out there to get us as opposed to those who do.But it isn't 'all' of our NSL's that have been wiped out here 'yet'.SS7
lbc said:
What I don't understand is why when a main road is reduced from NSL to 50mph, but the narrow side roads remain at NSL.
Does not make any sense.
Which bit doesnt make sense?Does not make any sense.
The narrow side roads you use your loaf to travel safely
A posted limit could make your judgement worse,
either they think it's safe to do this speed irrespective of anything else,
or this new limit is obviously crazy so they treat it and any other nanny sign with contempt
See what happens
Edited by saaby93 on Thursday 18th September 11:42
XJ Flyer said:
I don't think there's much chance of not getting caught under the present regime.People seem to underestimate the firepower which is directed against them in the ongoing ever increasing war against the motorist.The fact is we are in the middle of a concerted political agenda that's all about making car use as unattractive as possible with the enforcement to back it up with the obvious enforcement priority being directed towards fast longer distance use than local slower use.
I've been driving for 30 years and never had a single point. I make use of my car's abilities (and my more limited ones) where conditions allow and keep my eyes open for cameras and Police.Snollygoster said:
...is a lack of police presence on the road...
At a recent speed awareness course (ahem) the instructors were keen to tell us that plod do not cover speed enforcement - that comes under local authorities now.Here in Kent/E Sussex we've had a lot of 'nice' A and B roads re-classified from NSL to 50mph for long stretches, and IIRC there is a national guidance or similar recommending that 50 is the new NSL.
We're only a few years off black box monitoring so get ready for automatic logging of all your speed misdemeanors.
The Don of Croy said:
We're only a few years off black box monitoring so get ready for automatic logging of all your speed misdemeanors.
If this is the case, I'll be going somewhere in the EU, taking their driving test, buying one of their cars, and driving around England in one of them so don't have to stick to the rules.Notadoctor said:
It gets worse, with modern mentality of "drive to the limit not the conditions".
Local A-road used to be 60. Now it's 50.
Scooter driver rear ends stationary vehicle on blind bend.
His reaction? Launches massive campaign to reduce speed limit to FORTY for that whole road and install cameras. His argument is:
"I was going down the 50mph zone, but I could not see around the corner and there was a car which had stopped to turn right ... It's wrong that people are out there doing 60mph in 50mph zones".
http://www.dover-express.co.uk/Kent-County-Council...
That just the guys road positions which was wrong then. Probably sat in the gutter to let cars go.Local A-road used to be 60. Now it's 50.
Scooter driver rear ends stationary vehicle on blind bend.
His reaction? Launches massive campaign to reduce speed limit to FORTY for that whole road and install cameras. His argument is:
"I was going down the 50mph zone, but I could not see around the corner and there was a car which had stopped to turn right ... It's wrong that people are out there doing 60mph in 50mph zones".
http://www.dover-express.co.uk/Kent-County-Council...
Admitting to driving to fast then if he couldn't see around the corner carrying to much speed to stop.
To punish other motorists is ridiculous for one case of someone doing it wrong.
Zod said:
XJ Flyer said:
I don't think there's much chance of not getting caught under the present regime.People seem to underestimate the firepower which is directed against them in the ongoing ever increasing war against the motorist.The fact is we are in the middle of a concerted political agenda that's all about making car use as unattractive as possible with the enforcement to back it up with the obvious enforcement priority being directed towards fast longer distance use than local slower use.
I've been driving for 30 years and never had a single point. I make use of my car's abilities (and my more limited ones) where conditions allow and keep my eyes open for cameras and Police.Snollygoster said:
Notadoctor said:
It gets worse, with modern mentality of "drive to the limit not the conditions".
Local A-road used to be 60. Now it's 50.
Scooter driver rear ends stationary vehicle on blind bend.
His reaction? Launches massive campaign to reduce speed limit to FORTY for that whole road and install cameras. His argument is:
"I was going down the 50mph zone, but I could not see around the corner and there was a car which had stopped to turn right ... It's wrong that people are out there doing 60mph in 50mph zones".
http://www.dover-express.co.uk/Kent-County-Council...
That just the guys road positions which was wrong then. Probably sat in the gutter to let cars go.Local A-road used to be 60. Now it's 50.
Scooter driver rear ends stationary vehicle on blind bend.
His reaction? Launches massive campaign to reduce speed limit to FORTY for that whole road and install cameras. His argument is:
"I was going down the 50mph zone, but I could not see around the corner and there was a car which had stopped to turn right ... It's wrong that people are out there doing 60mph in 50mph zones".
http://www.dover-express.co.uk/Kent-County-Council...
Admitting to driving to fast then if he couldn't see around the corner carrying to much speed to stop.
To punish other motorists is ridiculous for one case of someone doing it wrong.
Notadoctor said:
It gets worse, with modern mentality of "drive to the limit not the conditions".
Local A-road used to be 60. Now it's 50.
Scooter driver rear ends stationary vehicle on blind bend.
His reaction? Launches massive campaign to reduce speed limit to FORTY for that whole road and install cameras. His argument is:
"I was going down the 50mph zone, but I could not see around the corner and there was a car which had stopped to turn right ... It's wrong that people are out there doing 60mph in 50mph zones".
http://www.dover-express.co.uk/Kent-County-Council...
What an utter cocksocket, if that is level of intelligence and competence expected of drivers then god help us all Local A-road used to be 60. Now it's 50.
Scooter driver rear ends stationary vehicle on blind bend.
His reaction? Launches massive campaign to reduce speed limit to FORTY for that whole road and install cameras. His argument is:
"I was going down the 50mph zone, but I could not see around the corner and there was a car which had stopped to turn right ... It's wrong that people are out there doing 60mph in 50mph zones".
http://www.dover-express.co.uk/Kent-County-Council...
. If they changed the speed limit to 120mph through my estate I wouldn't actually do that speed as I have a brain.Ah well, I have a satnav with regularly updated camera information including realtime mobile camera locations so I'll continue to drive like a sane person with a brain and rely on that, observation and blind luck to keep my license clean.
Snollygoster said:
The Don of Croy said:
We're only a few years off black box monitoring so get ready for automatic logging of all your speed misdemeanors.
If this is the case, I'll be going somewhere in the EU, taking their driving test, buying one of their cars, and driving around England in one of them so don't have to stick to the rules.Edited by XJ Flyer on Thursday 18th September 12:13
saaby93 said:
Someone mentioned Warwickshire where they found traffic speeds went up as they brought speed limits down.
This is 15 years old now, but it explains the above phenomenon perfectly:Height Kills.
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