National speed limit zones disappearing fast!

[saaby93]

Dr Jekyll said:

Responding to consultations is not some brilliant idea that has occurred to nobody but you. It's something that has been tried extensively and abandoned because it doesn't work. If it did work then consultation process would be scrapped under the guise of 'streamlining the process' or some such.

yes I realise that lots of people including yourself have individually responded to a 'consultation'. Often you'll be up against a local petition thats been collected well in advance (and include not so local people), that hasn't asked who's against and not set out reasons for or against.
As you've said police are often against, national guidance is usually against, if everyone who's against just mutters to themselves, it's definitely going to change nothing.
You're right about being war weary too

Edited by saaby93 on Saturday 20th September 11:20

[bungle]

saaby93 said:

If someone posts up where one of these is being 'consulted', how many of us would be prepared to object to it?

I did, a few years ago. Ridiculously small A4 sign with font size 10 writing on an NSL road - I had to find somewhere to stop the car to get out to read it. They obviously didn't want anyone to actually read it.

Long story short... 60 to be cut to 40, I sent a long response objecting, with reasons, and got a reply back that basically said thanks for your comments but we are going to change it anyway due to x, y, z. Complete waste of my time.

[saaby93]

bungle said:

I did, a few years ago. Ridiculously small A4 sign with font size 10 writing on an NSL road - I had to find somewhere to stop the car to get out to read it. They obviously didn't want anyone to actually read it.

Long story short... 60 to be cut to 40, I sent a long response objecting, with reasons, and got a reply back that basically said thanks for your comments but we are going to change it anyway due to x, y, z. Complete waste of my time.

At least you tried.
There may be a lot of people in the 'tried it once (or more), didnt work, not trying again' camp.
If 99 other people had also responded what would happen? Same? Give up? Is that what they want?
Not easy

[Dr Jekyll]

saaby93 said:

t least you tried.
If 99 other people had also responded what would happen? Same? Give up? Is that what they want?
Not easy

There is an argument that the trick with bullies is not to react. Maybe if we didn't complain they would lose interest in trying to piss us off.

[MC Bodge]

Presumably "local people" and councillors have the most influence. Passing drivers will be "the problem".

[saaby93]

Dr Jekyll said:

There is an argument that the trick with bullies is not to react. Maybe if we didn't complain they would lose interest in trying to piss us off.

Youre right there too.
If you reply - they can say 'hey look there was a fair consultation someone responded'.
Then carefully ignore what you said, even though youre right
If there was more than one, how many do you need to make a difference?

[Notadoctor]

saaby93 said:

is that based on assumption that the need to overtake is a major problem?

Apparently.

To quote the lobbying group that tends to influence decision makers.

"Overtaking on single carriageway roads is one of the most dangerous manoeuvres drivers can perform"

"Overtaking is dangerous because is impossible to accurately judge the speed and distance of approaching traffic"

"[Overtaking] is also pointless: if you are travelling at 55mph, and you overtake someone doing 50mph, and you have ten miles left of your journey, you’ll only arrive one minute faster than if you’d stayed behind the slower vehicle. However, in reality you wouldn’t even save this much time, as you would still need to slow down for bends, junctions, other traffic, and if entering lower speed limits."

"Brake advises overtaking should be avoided at all costs."

http://www.brake.org.uk/info-resources/info-resear...

[V8RX7]

Notadoctor said:

saaby93 said:

is that based on assumption that the need to overtake is a major problem?

Apparently.

"overtaking should be avoided at all costs."

This does seem to be the default position these days.

[Bbunter]

That's why I can only be mildly arsed with cars / motorcycles now. If you can't make it to a track day, you end up having to drive miss daisy. What a complete load of balls.

[HertsBiker]

Bbunter said:

That's why I can only be mildly arsed with cars / motorcycles now. If you can't make it to a track day, you end up having to drive miss daisy. What a complete load of balls.

Not sure I understand.. You have a bike and don't overtake? Think you're doing it wrong!

[mybrainhurts]

Notadoctor said:

saaby93 said:

is that based on assumption that the need to overtake is a major problem?

Apparently.

To quote the lobbying group that tends to influence decision makers.

"Overtaking on single carriageway roads is one of the most dangerous manoeuvres drivers can perform"

"Overtaking is dangerous because is impossible to accurately judge the speed and distance of approaching traffic"

"[Overtaking] is also pointless: if you are travelling at 55mph, and you overtake someone doing 50mph, and you have ten miles left of your journey, you’ll only arrive one minute faster than if you’d stayed behind the slower vehicle. However, in reality you wouldn’t even save this much time, as you would still need to slow down for bends, junctions, other traffic, and if entering lower speed limits."

"Brake advises overtaking should be avoided at all costs."

http://www.brake.org.uk/info-resources/info-resear...

The answer, of course, is to scrap the speed limit. We would then be exposed on the wrong side of the road for a shorter period when overtaking.

Don't you know ANYTHING, BRAKE?

Whimsy aside, BRAKE's ignorant meddling is making the road a more dangerous place. When I take over, all incompetent professional busybodies will be put up against a wall and shot tickled mercilessly with a stiff feather.

Nearly invoked a claim of real death threat again from BRAKE. Just recovered in time...phew

[saaby93]

It would be better if we posted up our own advice
If overtaking is an issue and cant be fixed in other ways there are no overtaking signs
Has anyone has claimed the issue is overtaking in trying to reduce an NSL

[XJ Flyer]

V8RX7 said:

Notadoctor said:

saaby93 said:

is that based on assumption that the need to overtake is a major problem?

Apparently.

"overtaking should be avoided at all costs."

This does seem to be the default position these days.

Assuming that anyone is going by the logic that 'they' are out there to get us with numerous types of speed detection options.Then it is obvious that even a strictly enforced 60 mph max regime,let alone 50 mph or less, effectively makes overtaking anything running at 40-45 mph + unviable.

[XJ Flyer]

saaby93 said:

It would be better if we posted up our own advice
If overtaking is an issue and cant be fixed in other ways there are no overtaking signs
Has anyone has claimed the issue is overtaking in trying to reduce an NSL

People like Brake want the limits reduced for a number of reasons ranging from environmental to so called 'safety'.With them often using the latter to justify the former.The fact that strictly enforced unrealistically low limits make overtaking unviable is probably seen by them as just a bonus not the aim.

[Blakewater]

V8RX7 said:

Notadoctor said:

saaby93 said:

is that based on assumption that the need to overtake is a major problem?

Apparently.

"overtaking should be avoided at all costs."

This does seem to be the default position these days.

So what about overtaking cyclists and horse riders? These should be overtaken with the same planning and strategy you would use to overtake a car doing 50mph when you want to do 60mph. The problem is people think overtaking is evil and never learn how to do it properly. When they encounter cyclists and other slow and "thin" road users they don't think about planning and carrying out a strategic overtake and just drive past wherever they catch up and pass too close in a place they're conflicting with oncoming traffic.

[Snollygoster]

saaby93 said:

It would be better if we posted up our own advice
If overtaking is an issue and cant be fixed in other ways there are no overtaking signs
Has anyone has claimed the issue is overtaking in trying to reduce an NSL

The problem is with some no overtaking signs is the exact same point some have made about people just don't listen as their pointless. If anyone knows this stretch of road from Evesham to Cheltenham on the A46 for example. There is always a car overtaking. The lines are actually correct for overtaking, but there have been mobile no overtaking signs which have been there for 2 years.

And quite rightly people should be allowed to overtake; it could probably fit 4 cars and made into a dual carriageway.

[saaby93]

Snollygoster said:

The problem is with some no overtaking signs is the exact same point some have made about people just don't listen as their pointless. If anyone knows this stretch of road from Evesham to Cheltenham on the A46 for example. There is always a car overtaking. The lines are actually correct for overtaking, but there have been mobile no overtaking signs which have been there for 2 years.

And quite rightly people should be allowed to overtake; it could probably fit 4 cars and made into a dual carriageway.

Its the M50 extension that never was. Going back to OP How much would you mind if the road was to become 50mph?
PS What version of streetview do you have to get that black box?

Edited by saaby93 on Saturday 20th September 21:18

[Snollygoster]

saaby93 said:

Its the M50 extension that never was. Going back to OP How much would you mind if the road was to become 50mph?
PS What version of streetview do you have to get that black box?

Edited by saaby93 on Saturday 20th September 21:18

Did not know they wanted to extend the M50.

It's just the street view on Google Maps on Chrome. Why, is out dated?

[saaby93]

Snollygoster said:

Did not know they wanted to extend the M50.

It's just the street view on Google Maps on Chrome. Why, is out dated?

no just different - must be chrome

http://pathetic.org.uk/unbuilt/strensham_solihull_...

http://pathetic.org.uk/features/mighthavebeen/regi...

[Hol]

I wonder how brake appoints it's 'committee'?

Perhaps if we all joined, we could vote really biased idiots who want change for their own gratification out.