RE: Ford Mustang Ecoboost: Driven

[LuS1fer]

MC Bodge said:

Are 30 grand blue collar heroes popular in aspirational Britain?

I don't see why not.
The Capri 2.8i was a relative bargain but people fall into the trap that it was cheap as chips. It wasn't, 1.6s were.
Sierra Cosworth wasn't particularly cheap either.
Like anything, it comes down to what is out there, to compete.
If it's a 2.0 Audi with options, a 310hp car is a very attractive proposition. A Golf R is £40k.

Being a Ford actually helps, in terms of discounts and people trusting someone will look after it.
The 370Z has previously failed but many see 3.7 litres as far too big.
A 2.3, I think, falls within most people's perceptions of "normal" although a 2.0 might have been more attractive to most, even if it meant only 250hp.

As has been said, lease deals are the cruncher these days. Many are for business use. I've never had that issue, I buy and run my cars for me.

[J4CKO]

Dont underestimate the Americans love for the Mustang, I got loads of positive comments with an ordinary looking rental GT, you see quite a few but the bulk of cars are crap over there, a sea of dross, you see Mustangs but it isn't all the time.

370Z suffered mainly for the lack of back seats, with a hint of badge and a side serving of 20 mpg.

Capris and stuff did ok as the folk that now buy Audis were still buying Fords, the A5 is the new Capri I reckon.

[irocfan]

http://www.stangtv.com/features/car-features/drivi...

[skyrover]

irocfan said:

http://www.stangtv.com/features/car-features/drivi...

Good... in depth review.

[Prawnboy]

thanks for the link, and i want this colour for mine please.



and for all those dull people who like to post there best ever MPG screen shots, i think this readout will be much more fun to use.

[PanzerCommander]

It would be interesting to see how close/far away the times that the car records on that are to official times on a drag strip.

[DJP]

fozluvscars said:

I was referring to the 2.3, as I think ford own rights to mzr engines, so wondering if this descended from the engine mazda used in mps cars

Well, it shares exactly the same 2261cc capacity as the 2.3 Duratec – a very popular engine in US market Fords.

So it wouldn't surprise me if it was just a turbo'd Duratec (not that there's much wrong with that).

But I'd buy the V8 anyway.

[Nohedes]

J4CKO]nohedes said:

My wife has a 330d and it'll comfortably out accelerate this new Mustang 2.3 and still manage 50+ mpg and less than 130gm/km of CO2. It's also comfortable, handles well enough, has an excellent auto gearbox and cheap servicing. Why


No it wont, ffs, where did you make that up from ?

"comfortably out accelerate" ?

Ok, so with, what 240 - 260 BHP assuming its recent, it will "comfortably" out accelerate a car of similar weight with more power (310 ish) ?

It may be in the same ball park, it may keep up for a while but the Mustang will be quicker, based on Physics, the Mustang is "slow" for a Mustang (of this generation, it will match the old GT), the BMW is quick relative to most BMW 3 series diesels but there is no way a 330D is going to "comfortably" out accelerate it, even the mighty BMW badge cant change that.


A 335D wouldnt comfortably out accelerate it, impressions, forum lore and legends are one thing but it all comes down to power vs weight.

Perhaps 'comfortably' was the wrong word, but the numbers seem to suggest it is quicker in the benchmark 0-62mph time (330d 5.6secs v Mustang 5.8) and with a torque advantage of almost 100lb/ft I would imagine it would be quite capable of keeping this Pony honest in real world driving too. As for the current 335d (0-62 4.8secs) I'd say that it's comfortably faster, not too surprising as it has a little more power and a LOT more torque. Don't forget these are common diesel saloon cars made by the much derided Germans, not sports cars.

Going back to my post though, I don't think these are the cars we should be comparing it to. My question remains, why would someone buy one over a Golf R, M135i etc (other than just to be different)?

[Nohedes]

J4CKO]nohedes said:

My wife has a 330d and it'll comfortably out accelerate this new Mustang 2.3 and still manage 50+ mpg and less than 130gm/km of CO2. It's also comfortable, handles well enough, has an excellent auto gearbox and cheap servicing. Why


No it wont, ffs, where did you make that up from ?

"comfortably out accelerate" ?

Ok, so with, what 240 - 260 BHP assuming its recent, it will "comfortably" out accelerate a car of similar weight with more power (310 ish) ?

It may be in the same ball park, it may keep up for a while but the Mustang will be quicker, based on Physics, the Mustang is "slow" for a Mustang (of this generation, it will match the old GT), the BMW is quick relative to most BMW 3 series diesels but there is no way a 330D is going to "comfortably" out accelerate it, even the mighty BMW badge cant change that.


A 335D wouldnt comfortably out accelerate it, impressions, forum lore and legends are one thing but it all comes down to power vs weight.

Perhaps 'comfortably' was the wrong word, but the numbers seem to suggest it is quicker in the benchmark 0-62mph time (330d 5.6secs v Mustang 5.8) and with a torque advantage of almost 100lb/ft I would imagine it would be quite capable of keeping this Pony honest in real world driving too. As for the current 335d (0-62 4.8secs) I'd say that it's comfortably faster, not too surprising as it has a little more power and a LOT more torque. Don't forget these are common diesel saloon cars made by the much derided Germans, not sports cars.

Going back to my post though, I don't think these are the cars we should be comparing it to. My question remains, why would someone buy one over a Golf R, M135i etc (other than just to be different)?

[tr7v8]

Nohedes said:

J4CKO]nohedes said:

My wife has a 330d and it'll comfortably out accelerate this new Mustang 2.3 and still manage 50+ mpg and less than 130gm/km of CO2. It's also comfortable, handles well enough, has an excellent auto gearbox and cheap servicing. Why


No it wont, ffs, where did you make that up from ?

"comfortably out accelerate" ?

Ok, so with, what 240 - 260 BHP assuming its recent, it will "comfortably" out accelerate a car of similar weight with more power (310 ish) ?

It may be in the same ball park, it may keep up for a while but the Mustang will be quicker, based on Physics, the Mustang is "slow" for a Mustang (of this generation, it will match the old GT), the BMW is quick relative to most BMW 3 series diesels but there is no way a 330D is going to "comfortably" out accelerate it, even the mighty BMW badge cant change that.


A 335D wouldnt comfortably out accelerate it, impressions, forum lore and legends are one thing but it all comes down to power vs weight.

Perhaps 'comfortably' was the wrong word, but the numbers seem to suggest it is quicker in the benchmark 0-62mph time (330d 5.6secs v Mustang 5.8) and with a torque advantage of almost 100lb/ft I would imagine it would be quite capable of keeping this Pony honest in real world driving too. As for the current 335d (0-62 4.8secs) I'd say that it's comfortably faster, not too surprising as it has a little more power and a LOT more torque. Don't forget these are common diesel saloon cars made by the much derided Germans, not sports cars.

Going back to my post though, I don't think these are the cars we should be comparing it to. My question remains, why would someone buy one over a Golf R, M135i etc (other than just to be different)?

Because there is no way on earth I'd drive a Golf R (rep) or M135i (shoe shaped) whereas I would drive a Mustang. I had a Mustang MY11 on hire in the US, yes it was a V6 but I really loved it & would have quite happily bought it home, even LHD. That V6 was the modular unit & I was impressed with how it went & also its fuel consumption.

[Prawnboy]

Nohedes said:

Going back to my post though, I don't think these are the cars we should be comparing it to. My question remains, why would someone buy one over a Golf R, M135i etc (other than just to be different)?

A few reasons you would buy it over the golf.
it doesn't look like a shopping hatch with flared arches.
it is RWD
it will be cheaply & easily tuned and upgraded
you will never be mistaken for a GTD

one massive reason to buy it over the BMW.
it's not fk ugly.

and both those cars although the same price are in a size catagory below, the 435 is the BMW equivelant whose list price is much more money.

[PanzerCommander]

The question should really be why wouldn't you buy the mustang over its price competitors. Or in the case of the V8 (assuming its £35k) why would you spend the extra on an M3/M4 (does the M4 exist yet?) when the Mustang will do everything they can do for far less money.

It comes down to personal choice at the end of the day.

[croyde]

So the base ecoboost is $25k in the US. Anyone know what that equates to on the road over there as I presume there are taxes to be added.

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/trim/ecoboostfast...

[skyrover]

Here's a list of mustang prices

V6 Base Pricing

Mustang V6 Fastback (050A): $24,425
Mustang V6 Fastback (051A): $25,420
Mustang V6 Convertible (P8E): $29,925

EcoBoost Base Pricing

Mustang EcoBoost Fastback (100A): $25,995
Mustang EcoBoost Fastback (200A): $29,995
Mustang EcoBoost Fastback (201A): $31,790
Mustang Ecoboost Premium Convertible (P8U): $35,495

GT Base Pricing

Mustang GT Fastback (300A): $32,925
Mustang GT Premium Fastback (400A): $36,100
Mustang GT Premium Fastback (401A): $38,720
Mustang GT 50 Year Limited Edition (500A): $46,995
Mustang GT Premium Convertible (P8F): $42,425

and options...

Floor Mats: $85 retail
GT Performance PKG: $2,495 retail
Navigation: $795 retail
Recaros Leather: $1595 retail
Enhanced Security Package: $395
6-Speed Automatic Transmission: $1195
3.55 Diff: $395
Spare Wheel/Tire: $195
Reverse Park Assist: $295
Floor Mats: $95
Recaros: $1595
Wheel Stripe Package (EcoBoost): $895
18" Painted Aluminum Wheels (641): $155
EcoBoost Performance Package (67E): $1995
Adaptive Cruise Control (52S): $1195
20" Machined Aluminum Wheels: $1295
Premium Trim Package: $295
Navigation: $795
50th Anniversary Package: $1595
19" Wheels $995: (GT)
GT Performance Package: $2495

[irocfan]

well in all cases apparently we get the 'performance pack' so that'll boost the price straight from the off

[PanzerCommander]

irocfan said:

well in all cases apparently we get the 'performance pack' so that'll boost the price straight from the off

From reading various reviews we are getting parts of the performance pack, for instance it includes as a package a big brake upgrade, the brake upgrade is not part of the UK/EU base model car from what I understand.

[croyde]

But are those US prices subject to a sales tax or are they on the road prices?

[PanzerCommander]

croyde said:

But are those US prices subject to a sales tax or are they on the road prices?

I beleive they are (or the final price) is indeed subject to sales tax, which varies from state to state.

[E65Ross]

Those won't be the prices here....

[CYMR0]

E65Ross said:

Those won't be the prices here....

Nope... if they were, a 2.3 with PP would be $33498 (allowing for 20% VAT) which is £20,540.