RE: Ford Mustang Ecoboost: Driven

[Marc p]

Nohedes said:

My question remains, why would someone buy one over a Golf R, M135i etc (other than just to be different)?

That's a joke right?

One is a Thunderous V8 with oodles of effortless N/A power with an engine , menacing looks and Ford running costs.

The other 2 are small hot hatches using turbos to stetch there engines to full capacity, don't get me wrong they are good cars, but against a Mustang GT, they can't even hold a light (IMO), it would be the RS4/M3/M5 that would be closer to the Mustang.

• I am basing the above on the fact that we are ignoring the four banger Mustang exists

[E65Ross]

CYMR0 said:

E65Ross said:

Those won't be the prices here....

Nope... if they were, a 2.3 with PP would be $33498 (allowing for 20% VAT) which is £20,540.

I'll be willing to bet that the 310bhp 4 cylinder mustang will cost more than 20,540 otr in the UK.

[irocfan]

E65Ross said:

CYMR0 said:

E65Ross said:

Those won't be the prices here....

Nope... if they were, a 2.3 with PP would be $33498 (allowing for 20% VAT) which is £20,540.

I'll be willing to bet that the 310bhp 4 cylinder mustang will cost more than 20,540 otr in the UK.

dude you could offer any odds you like and have your money safe!! £30-£35 depending on 'extras'

[PanzerCommander]

irocfan said:

dude you could offer any odds you like and have your money safe!! £30-£35 depending on 'extras'

From the top gear article (they loved it) on the ecoboost car £29,995 was mooted; so I would think that will be about right for the 4 cyl and I'd hazard a guess the V8 being £35k to £40k depending on options which is still way cheaper than the equivalent AMG/RS Audi/BMW M car. Which is in the ball park of current V8 LHD imports again depending on options.

[kingofdbrits]

DJP said:

fozluvscars said:

I was referring to the 2.3, as I think ford own rights to mzr engines, so wondering if this descended from the engine mazda used in mps cars

Well, it shares exactly the same 2261cc capacity as the 2.3 Duratec – a very popular engine in US market Fords.

So it wouldn't surprise me if it was just a turbo'd Duratec (not that there's much wrong with that).

But I'd buy the V8 anyway.

The engine is a reworked Mazda DISI engine, Ford bought mazda's MZR tech and rebranded them 'Ecoboost'. The 2.0 in the Focus ST is very similar, someone has pulled the engines apart to see what mechanical differences have actually been made, the answer is very little. Top rod is from an MPS the bottom is from an Ecoboost ST.


The 2.3 in the Mustang will be better, stronger than the MPS but essitially they're the same engine. Which is why i'll be looking into getting one, my 2.3 MPS engine has been at around 380bhp for 95k miles now and still going strong, so with stronger rods that i'm sure the mustang will have, the 2.3 'Stang with a few choice mods will be a bit quicker than the V8 and much cheaper to run.

[E65Ross]

irocfan said:

E65Ross said:

CYMR0 said:

E65Ross said:

Those won't be the prices here....

Nope... if they were, a 2.3 with PP would be $33498 (allowing for 20% VAT) which is £20,540.

I'll be willing to bet that the 310bhp 4 cylinder mustang will cost more than 20,540 otr in the UK.

dude you could offer any odds you like and have your money safe!! £30-£35 depending on 'extras'

You know what I mean. It'll be more than £21k before options.

[Stig]

irocfan said:

dude you could offer any odds you like and have your money safe!! £30-£35 depending on 'extras'

Basic rule of thumb - replace $ with £. That will be the price here.

[croyde]

Pretty accurate. There are a few UK companies who will import a 2014 V8 GT for you and the all in price is £35k.

I'd be surprised if Ford UK wanted more tho' as surely the enthusiasts would prefer to save money and get a genuINE Yankee left hooker with lower UK VED. Mind you insurance is usually more on LHDs.

[irocfan]

croyde said:

Mind you insurance is usually more on LHDs.

only until you get some LHD experience behind you

[PanzerCommander]

croyde said:

Pretty accurate. There are a few UK companies who will import a 2014 V8 GT for you and the all in price is £35k.

I'd be surprised if Ford UK wanted more tho' as surely the enthusiasts would prefer to save money and get a genuINE Yankee left hooker with lower UK VED. Mind you insurance is usually more on LHDs.

I know I'd only want a LHD car, but then the new car really isn't aimed at me, my needs and wants are in the minority so I am sure they won't be offended if I don't "trade up". But it is one of the reasons that RHD converted American cars are worth less than their LHD counter parts.

Insurance only seems to be more when you have no LHD experience tbh. I paid £415 for this year’s insurance on my 2006GT, it’s not a limited mileage policy (average of 10,000 miles declared), only vehicle used for SDP&C. It’s also heavily modified and kept on the drive rather than garaged, D risk post code, when I bought it 5 years ago it was £800 to insure (only mods were lowering springs and an axle back exhaust) a bog stock E46 M3 of similar value was another £400 on top of that.

[J4CKO]

So you wouldn't want your car if it was RHD ?

I don't see LHD as a huge problem, but I wouldn't buy one over a RHD if available, am I missing somethign here Panzer ?

[MC Bodge]

J4CKO said:

Capris and stuff did ok as the folk that now buy Audis were still buying Fords, the A5 is the new Capri I reckon.

I am inclined to agree with you. the Focus ST is quite popular too, although that is possibly a slightly different market.

...Coincidentally, GMP and Cheshire Police had a joint operation targeting gang crime a few months ago. Audi A5s were being stopped all over the 2 counties.

[unsprung]

PanzerCommander said:

croyde said:

But are those US prices subject to a sales tax or are they on the road prices?

I beleive they are (or the final price) is indeed subject to sales tax, which varies from state to state.

That's right. And a couple of states have no sales tax at all! When you see an advertised price in the US, it is stated as net of taxes and fees (if any).

As PanzerCommander notes, the use of sales taxes and on-the-road motor vehicle fees is decided by individual states and their counties. The federal government in Washington, DC has nothing to do with direct taxation of your vehicle. The US has no equivalent to the national VAT found in the UK and other countries.

Additional on-the-road fees such as registration and title for the car can be laughably low.

If I wanted to make a detailed comparison of UK and US out-the-door and on-the-road costs, I would probably add six percent (as a reasonable proxy for a US state sales tax) to the US advertised price plus, say, USD 200 for registration / title for the vehicle.

[J4CKO]

MC Bodge said:

J4CKO said:

Capris and stuff did ok as the folk that now buy Audis were still buying Fords, the A5 is the new Capri I reckon.

I am inclined to agree with you. the Focus ST is quite popular too, although that is possibly a slightly different market.

...Coincidentally, GMP and Cheshire Police had a joint operation targeting gang crime a few months ago. Audi A5s were being stopped all over the 2 counties.

Yeah, "Operation Crossbow" it was called, they were all parked on the rugby club pitch,

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...

A5 gets a mention like you say, Audi = villains cars, get a Ford, much classier

[croyde]

irocfan said:

only until you get some LHD experience behind you

I know, I did have a Citroen DS back in the day but insurance wasn't a problem for me then, with cars or bikes, even living in London. I have owned a Grand Marquis for 2 months now so hoping to get my first year under my belt before thinking of an imported Mustang if Ford UK are going to rip us off.

[PanzerCommander]

J4CKO said:

So you wouldn't want your car if it was RHD ?

I don't see LHD as a huge problem, but I wouldn't buy one over a RHD if available, am I missing somethign here Panzer ?

Nope you pretty much have that spot on.

If my car had have been a factory RHD it would have been in the same category as the Monaro; something to fall back on if I couldn't get along with the LHD of the American import I was looking at which at the time would have been a C5 'Vette or a 4th Gen Camaro (import model not the Euro ones with the high road tax and the god awful cut into the bumper fog lights). Forgetting most of the god awful late model non factory RHD conversions; if it had been RHD it would not feel anywhere near as special as it does now.

[LuS1fer]

croyde said:

Pretty accurate. There are a few UK companies who will import a 2014 V8 GT for you and the all in price is £35k.

I'd be surprised if Ford UK wanted more tho' as surely the enthusiasts would prefer to save money and get a genuINE Yankee left hooker with lower UK VED. Mind you insurance is usually more on LHDs.

Not through specialist insurers, usually cheaper. On my 405hp C5 Z06 back in 2004, I paid £400 unlimited mileage.
On my current Mustang, mainly due to all the mods, I pat just over £400 for 3000 miles.

[irocfan]

swerni said:

PanzerCommander said:

J4CKO said:

So you wouldn't want your car if it was RHD ?

I don't see LHD as a huge problem, but I wouldn't buy one over a RHD if available, am I missing somethign here Panzer ?

Nope you pretty much have that spot on.

If my car had have been a factory RHD it would have been in the same category as the Monaro; something to fall back on if I couldn't get along with the LHD of the American import I was looking at which at the time would have been a C5 'Vette or a 4th Gen Camaro (import model not the Euro ones with the high road tax and the god awful cut into the bumper fog lights). Forgetting most of the god awful late model non factory RHD conversions; if it had been RHD it would not feel anywhere near as special as it does now.

I agree.

Being left hookers is part of the charm for me

yup - I agree with you both

[skyrover]

kingofdbrits said:

The 2.3 in the Mustang will be better, stronger than the MPS but essitially they're the same engine. Which is why i'll be looking into getting one, my 2.3 MPS engine has been at around 380bhp for 95k miles now and still going strong, so with stronger rods that i'm sure the mustang will have, the 2.3 'Stang with a few choice mods will be a bit quicker than the V8 and much cheaper to run.

It will be slightly cheaper to run (offset by shorter servicing intervals?)... the mpg difference is about 3-4mpg combined and about the same if you start increasing boost.

Of course the V8 will have a lot higher headroom for tuning as well

[johnnnnnnyy]

irocfan said:

swerni said:

PanzerCommander said:

J4CKO said:

So you wouldn't want your car if it was RHD ?

I don't see LHD as a huge problem, but I wouldn't buy one over a RHD if available, am I missing somethign here Panzer ?

Nope you pretty much have that spot on.

If my car had have been a factory RHD it would have been in the same category as the Monaro; something to fall back on if I couldn't get along with the LHD of the American import I was looking at which at the time would have been a C5 'Vette or a 4th Gen Camaro (import model not the Euro ones with the high road tax and the god awful cut into the bumper fog lights). Forgetting most of the god awful late model non factory RHD conversions; if it had been RHD it would not feel anywhere near as special as it does now.

I agree.

Being left hookers is part of the charm for me

yup - I agree with you both

That charm will soon fade when it starts to devalue the newer LHD imported models of the Mustang. Many people would have been dreaming of owning a Mustang for years but simply can't get on with LHD, so will be choosing RHD over LHD. You also have the convenience of taking it to your local Ford garage for servicing, warranty + buy Ford extended warranty... as opposed to taking it indie specialist (usually miles away) on an industrial estate.

I'm not convinced even the RHD's will hold strong residuals, if they don't its going to dramatically effect the LHD too (latest models, older mustangs will be safe).

I'm saying this as a yank lover thats owned plenty of them.