RE: Ford Mustang Ecoboost: Driven
Discussion
johnnnnnnyy said:
That charm will soon fade when it starts to devalue the newer LHD imported models of the Mustang. Many people would have been dreaming of owning a Mustang for years but simply can't get on with LHD, so will be choosing RHD over LHD. You also have the convenience of taking it to your local Ford garage for servicing, warranty + buy Ford extended warranty... as opposed to taking it indie specialist (usually miles away) on an industrial estate.
I'm not convinced even the RHD's will hold strong residuals, if they don't its going to dramatically effect the LHD too (latest models, older mustangs will be safe).
I'm saying this as a yank lover thats owned plenty of them.
In all honesty the residuals don't bother me one bit. If such things were an issue I wouldn't own a car at all.I'm not convinced even the RHD's will hold strong residuals, if they don't its going to dramatically effect the LHD too (latest models, older mustangs will be safe).
I'm saying this as a yank lover thats owned plenty of them.
Marc p said:
Nohedes said:
My question remains, why would someone buy one over a Golf R, M135i etc (other than just to be different)?
That's a joke right?One is a Thunderous V8 with oodles of effortless N/A power with an engine , menacing looks and Ford running costs.
The other 2 are small hot hatches using turbos to stetch there engines to full capacity, don't get me wrong they are good cars, but against a Mustang GT, they can't even hold a light (IMO), it would be the RS4/M3/M5 that would be closer to the Mustang.
- I am basing the above on the fact that we are ignoring the four banger Mustang exists
As for the 'menacing looks' comment, aesthetics are clearly a subjective matter, but I always think American cars look slightly odd milling around the UK road network. Certainly the word 'menacing' isn't the one that springs to my mind.
I'm in the US next month and have rented a V8 Mustang, although it'll obviously be the older model. I'm looking forward to trying it in its natural habitat
Edited by Nohedes on Friday 26th September 18:38
swerni said:
johnnnnnnyy said:
irocfan said:
swerni said:
PanzerCommander said:
J4CKO said:
So you wouldn't want your car if it was RHD ?
I don't see LHD as a huge problem, but I wouldn't buy one over a RHD if available, am I missing somethign here Panzer ?
Nope you pretty much have that spot on.I don't see LHD as a huge problem, but I wouldn't buy one over a RHD if available, am I missing somethign here Panzer ?
If my car had have been a factory RHD it would have been in the same category as the Monaro; something to fall back on if I couldn't get along with the LHD of the American import I was looking at which at the time would have been a C5 'Vette or a 4th Gen Camaro (import model not the Euro ones with the high road tax and the god awful cut into the bumper fog lights). Forgetting most of the god awful late model non factory RHD conversions; if it had been RHD it would not feel anywhere near as special as it does now.
Being left hookers is part of the charm for me
I'm not convinced even the RHD's will hold strong residuals, if they don't its going to dramatically effect the LHD too (latest models, older mustangs will be safe).
I'm saying this as a yank lover thats owned plenty of them.
Oh hang on, that's not how it happened.
You probably know as well as I, the maintenance on these cars is as cheap as chips.
You think that will be the case with the official cars being services by Ford?
Same story with the Corvette.
Not a great comparison and you're missing the point of RHD version coming into the equation.
Regarding servicing etc.
If I had a two year old car and Gearbox and Sat Nav blew up, Ford would collect the car and repair it under warranty.
If I had an imported car same age, I'd be stuffed and have to pay out of my own pocket and has always been a worry with my yank cars (We all know that after market warranties will fight you + pay out a deposit).
I also get the added security of factory recalls in the main dealer and software updates (these cars are loaded with electronics).
So with all this in mind in the second hand market what car would you buy, RHD with full Ford warranty and service history or imported LHD indie history and be unsure if any recalls, updates etc have been done?
Edited by johnnnnnnyy on Friday 26th September 16:12
Edited by johnnnnnnyy on Friday 26th September 16:45
Below is a list of all the things that have gone wrong with my Mustang and all the recalls it has required since 2005, despite having an extra 162hp strapped on.
I confess, however, that if it was a Cadillac or a triple underhand crapshaft engine, I would probably want the safety blanket but there were never any real issues with the 2005 Mustang and I anticipate the same will remain true. The same was true of my Camaro Z28 and Corvette.
I do understand that people want a warranty but I'm not sure many people need it. I had a new Mondeo and that needed nothing.
I would think most warranty issues arise out of warranty.
I confess, however, that if it was a Cadillac or a triple underhand crapshaft engine, I would probably want the safety blanket but there were never any real issues with the 2005 Mustang and I anticipate the same will remain true. The same was true of my Camaro Z28 and Corvette.
I do understand that people want a warranty but I'm not sure many people need it. I had a new Mondeo and that needed nothing.
I would think most warranty issues arise out of warranty.
Stop! Hold everything! I've just read that the Ecoboost Mustang's engine noise is "augmented" (i.e. faked). It plays additional artificial engine noise through the stereo speakers. Stuff that! Fortunately the V8 doesn't need to resort to such fakery, so it looks like the V8 is the only one to have.
swerni said:
johnnnnnnyy said:
Errr...the Camaro was sold in the UK as LHD and didn't sell well at all due to that fact. Still today they don't make the Camero in RHD.
Same story with the Corvette.
Not a great comparison and you're missing the point of RHD version coming into the equation.
Regarding servicing etc.
If I had a two year old car and Gearbox and Sat Nav blew up, Ford would collect the car and repair it under warranty.
If I had an imported car same age, I'd be stuffed and have to pay out of my own pocket and has always been a worry with my yank cars (We all know that after market warranties will fight you + pay out a deposit).
I also get the added security of factory recalls in the main dealer and software updates (these cars are loaded with electronics).
So with all this in mind in the second hand market what car would you buy, RHD with full Ford warranty and service history or imported LHD indie history and be unsure if any recalls, updates etc have been done?
No brainer, US import every time, but then again, you really are asking the wrong person. Same story with the Corvette.
Not a great comparison and you're missing the point of RHD version coming into the equation.
Regarding servicing etc.
If I had a two year old car and Gearbox and Sat Nav blew up, Ford would collect the car and repair it under warranty.
If I had an imported car same age, I'd be stuffed and have to pay out of my own pocket and has always been a worry with my yank cars (We all know that after market warranties will fight you + pay out a deposit).
I also get the added security of factory recalls in the main dealer and software updates (these cars are loaded with electronics).
So with all this in mind in the second hand market what car would you buy, RHD with full Ford warranty and service history or imported LHD indie history and be unsure if any recalls, updates etc have been done?
Edited by johnnnnnnyy on Friday 26th September 16:12
Edited by johnnnnnnyy on Friday 26th September 16:45
These are that last 8 years toys
The official Camaro should have taken all the business because of your logical argument, it didn't.
I think the issue is, these are enthusiast cars. Enthusiast don't want them as right hand drive.
Ford are trying to make the Stang main stream
One of my cars below and currently have a Ford F150 Raptor on it's way over to the UK. Controversially if I could get a new Corvette or Raptor in RHD, I'd chose that instead....eeekk sorry!
MC Bodge said:
swerni said:
Ford are trying to make the Stang main stream
You know, I think you may be onto something there.By the way, I've never noticed North American resident Mustangs having the steering wheels on the right(ie. wrong) side, but it doesn't appear to prevent sales there.
As for the steering wheel comment...maybe you're trying to make a joke and I need a whoosh parrot, but that is because they haven't made it in RHD and the yanks all have steering wheels on the left because they drive on the right hand side of the road. Which is probably why sales aren't prevented, probably.
swerni said:
morgs_ said:
MC Bodge said:
swerni said:
Ford are trying to make the Stang main stream
You know, I think you may be onto something there.By the way, I've never noticed North American resident Mustangs having the steering wheels on the right(ie. wrong) side, but it doesn't appear to prevent sales there.
As for the steering wheel comment...maybe you're trying to make a joke and I need a whoosh parrot, but that is because they haven't made it in RHD and the yanks all have steering wheels on the left because they drive on the right hand side of the road. Which is probably why sales aren't prevented, probably.
Mountune said:
Las Vegas, USA, 4th November - Ford's official tuning partner, mountune has today revealed plans to expand their line of approved performance upgrade kits and parts beyond Fiesta and Focus models, catering for owners of the all-new 2015 Ford Mustang EcoBoost.
The announcement was made as mountune's concept MRX450 2015 Mustang Coupe made its public debut on the Ford display at the SEMA show in Las Vegas.
Inspired by their motorsport DNA, the mountune MRX450 concept reflects the European motorsport vision of the 2015 Mustang with styling, flare, and performance that characterise GT class racecars that challenge the famous Nurburgring.
Engineered with an improvement to complete vehicle performance, the MRX450 combines enhanced vehicle dynamics with increased performance from the 2.3-litre EcoBoost engine, which embodies their halo approach to improving vehicles with optimised performance upgrades that enhance the overall driving experience.
"We are very excited about the all new 2015 Mustang EcoBoost and the potential that it offers", says mountune LLC President, Ken Anderson. "mountune is uniquely positioned to offer a wide range of engineered high performance products for this platform as a result of our unrivalled experience with Ford vehicles. Our total vehicle engineering concept delivers proven performance coupled with reliability that today's consumers demand", he adds.
mountune have an almost unrivalled level of experience with small displacement, turbocharged Ford engines as mountune founder and Technical Director, David Mountain adds; "We're highly experienced with this engine type and our track record in the likes of the BTCC, CTCC and RallyCross speaks for itself. This, combined with our unique relationship with Ford producing the only performance upgrades and parts not to affect the base vehicle warranty, means we can offer Mustang customers around the world something nobody else out there can; almost 35 years experience of making Ford's go faster - with the option of maintaining their warranty."
The first approved products are scheduled for a Q1 2015 launch, together with a host of EcoBoost-specific mountune Racing parts.
The announcement was made as mountune's concept MRX450 2015 Mustang Coupe made its public debut on the Ford display at the SEMA show in Las Vegas.
Inspired by their motorsport DNA, the mountune MRX450 concept reflects the European motorsport vision of the 2015 Mustang with styling, flare, and performance that characterise GT class racecars that challenge the famous Nurburgring.
Engineered with an improvement to complete vehicle performance, the MRX450 combines enhanced vehicle dynamics with increased performance from the 2.3-litre EcoBoost engine, which embodies their halo approach to improving vehicles with optimised performance upgrades that enhance the overall driving experience.
"We are very excited about the all new 2015 Mustang EcoBoost and the potential that it offers", says mountune LLC President, Ken Anderson. "mountune is uniquely positioned to offer a wide range of engineered high performance products for this platform as a result of our unrivalled experience with Ford vehicles. Our total vehicle engineering concept delivers proven performance coupled with reliability that today's consumers demand", he adds.
mountune have an almost unrivalled level of experience with small displacement, turbocharged Ford engines as mountune founder and Technical Director, David Mountain adds; "We're highly experienced with this engine type and our track record in the likes of the BTCC, CTCC and RallyCross speaks for itself. This, combined with our unique relationship with Ford producing the only performance upgrades and parts not to affect the base vehicle warranty, means we can offer Mustang customers around the world something nobody else out there can; almost 35 years experience of making Ford's go faster - with the option of maintaining their warranty."
The first approved products are scheduled for a Q1 2015 launch, together with a host of EcoBoost-specific mountune Racing parts.
Not a fan of what they've done aesthetically, but 450bhp sounds interesting...
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