RE: Ford Mustang Ecoboost: Driven
Discussion
excellent!Ecosseven said:
Really like the idea of these, especially if there is a Mountune upgrade at a reasonable price - say a 20-25 bhp increase for around a £1000?.
Comfy, plenty space, looks good, nice interior, reasonable VED (assumed), and a bit different to the usual German offerings. Should hopefully sell well.
20/25bhp increase isn't even worth worrying about as most people couldn't tell the difference.Comfy, plenty space, looks good, nice interior, reasonable VED (assumed), and a bit different to the usual German offerings. Should hopefully sell well.
I really like the interior and the V8 however the problem for me is that it's a mishmash of styling cues - sort of look you'd expect from the Koreans
That being said I'd still take this over a BM/Audi
Edited by irocfan on Thursday 18th September 16:18
P-Jay said:
The crux of it is, Ford want less people who admire them from a distance and more people who'll actually buy them.
They've been selling loud, thirsty, big engined Mustang's since the dawn of time and have sold about 3 in Europe ever since, this one they hope will sell.
The facts are there are a lot of Mustangs already in Europe, with many thousands in the UK already.They've been selling loud, thirsty, big engined Mustang's since the dawn of time and have sold about 3 in Europe ever since, this one they hope will sell.
LHD is clearly a barrier to some, and the lack of Manufacturer support is another barrier.
With Ford addressing both of these, I do think it will sell well, and I do think the balance will tip towards the EB, I would imagine a 75% to 25 % ratio of EB to V8.
There is a lot of demand out there, I know of just one dealer in London that has 25 orders with paid deposits.
Ecosseven said:
Really like the idea of these, especially if there is a Mountune upgrade at a reasonable price - say a 20-25 bhp increase for around a £1000?.
Would hope it was cheaper than that - the Fiesta ST upgrade was 33hp for £600 + fitting, on a smaller, less powerful engine. If it was the same %age lift you'd be looking at about an extra 55hp.thatguy11 said:
An Evo VIII FQ-400's 2.0L I4 produces 400bhp, the same as an E39 M5's 5.0L V8. Is that not impressive either?
I would have full confidence in the V8 from an M5 still running sweet as a nut at 200k miles without a rebuild. An FQ-400? Not so much. I'd guess the M5 would be slightly more economical as well....MrBarry123 said:
knebworth01 said:
Would love to own one, depends on the Co2 output though, if they can sneak it under 200kgs then it might sell ok, above that and only the committed will want to pay £400/year to tax the thing.
Same with the new Impreza...
I hope they get it below that level too.Same with the new Impreza...
Much as I would like it to, I dont think it will be a massive sales success, hate to say it, but the lack of a diesel and the BIK will kill it for company drivers.
Will perhaps depend whether it can be leased cost effectively, i.e. is it a viable choice versus the usual suspects, will people say "But I can have a Merc/BMW/Audi for £10 a month extra", or will it actually be more expensive to lease, based as a lot of the lease costs are, on residuals, which are a bit of an unknown.
I am hoping that the kudos with the German brands is on the wane and doesnt dictate as many peoples choices like it has been doing, a bit like having an Iphone is no longer a big deal, having a German 2 litre tdi saloon/coupe etc is not the be all and end all, every bugger has them now, I would say the Mustang is much more exclusive.
Is it enough to persuade people away from a 135i or a Golf R ? I think that is the biggest question as that is where the buyers may come from, similar power, but the Mustang is quite a bit bigger, maybe too big for some, performance should be on par, at least in the dry, or not far off, handling gets a good write up.
Would love to see PH get one and do a back to back with the usual suspects.
Will perhaps depend whether it can be leased cost effectively, i.e. is it a viable choice versus the usual suspects, will people say "But I can have a Merc/BMW/Audi for £10 a month extra", or will it actually be more expensive to lease, based as a lot of the lease costs are, on residuals, which are a bit of an unknown.
I am hoping that the kudos with the German brands is on the wane and doesnt dictate as many peoples choices like it has been doing, a bit like having an Iphone is no longer a big deal, having a German 2 litre tdi saloon/coupe etc is not the be all and end all, every bugger has them now, I would say the Mustang is much more exclusive.
Is it enough to persuade people away from a 135i or a Golf R ? I think that is the biggest question as that is where the buyers may come from, similar power, but the Mustang is quite a bit bigger, maybe too big for some, performance should be on par, at least in the dry, or not far off, handling gets a good write up.
Would love to see PH get one and do a back to back with the usual suspects.
Firstly, Mustang has had electric power steering since the 2011 MY.
Secondly, I have no doubt that, dynamically, this car will be incredible but then, so it should be. The last model schooled a fully optioned Track Pack M3 round Laguna Seca so don't be fooled by the cliché-laden Europeans who see a new model and think hey, it's OK to rubbish its forebears. The Mustang and Camaro have been very good cars for some time.
Thirdly and personally, I don't like the styling on this Mustang. You may and good for you if you do. If it can take sales from the Germans then that's great. However, Mustangs are about looking not good but great (OK, they've had bad patches in the past). An M4 may be great, dynamically but I've never wanted a car less, with the looks of it.
As for forced induction, my supercharged V8 has 460hp and, with that strapped to it, has returned better mpg than this four did on the US test (19 US mpg = 22 UK mpg)so while it may give better emissions for the Euro tests, the reality is going to be more what you might expect from a 2.3 Turbo.
Aha, you cry, lower VEL. Not for me as left hook imports only cost £230 a year.
So good luck to Ford with this clearly very competent and dynamically desirable car but, for me, styling-wise, desire walks on.
Secondly, I have no doubt that, dynamically, this car will be incredible but then, so it should be. The last model schooled a fully optioned Track Pack M3 round Laguna Seca so don't be fooled by the cliché-laden Europeans who see a new model and think hey, it's OK to rubbish its forebears. The Mustang and Camaro have been very good cars for some time.
Thirdly and personally, I don't like the styling on this Mustang. You may and good for you if you do. If it can take sales from the Germans then that's great. However, Mustangs are about looking not good but great (OK, they've had bad patches in the past). An M4 may be great, dynamically but I've never wanted a car less, with the looks of it.
As for forced induction, my supercharged V8 has 460hp and, with that strapped to it, has returned better mpg than this four did on the US test (19 US mpg = 22 UK mpg)so while it may give better emissions for the Euro tests, the reality is going to be more what you might expect from a 2.3 Turbo.
Aha, you cry, lower VEL. Not for me as left hook imports only cost £230 a year.
So good luck to Ford with this clearly very competent and dynamically desirable car but, for me, styling-wise, desire walks on.
Podie said:
MrBarry123 said:
knebworth01 said:
Would love to own one, depends on the Co2 output though, if they can sneak it under 200kgs then it might sell ok, above that and only the committed will want to pay £400/year to tax the thing.
Same with the new Impreza...
I hope they get it below that level too.Same with the new Impreza...
To achieve a sub-200g/km figure, this engine will presumably require a different tune. And/or a different specification of fuel.
alangla said:
Would hope it was cheaper than that - the Fiesta ST upgrade was 33hp for £600 + fitting, on a smaller, less powerful engine. If it was the same %age lift you'd be looking at about an extra 55hp.
Except the Mountune Feista ST upgrade isn't really 30-odd HP, it's more like 15. The standard car can produce 200HP on overboost, which it can maintain for 15 seconds and is reset whenever the throttle is lifted (e.g. when changing gear). In reality, on the road, when is anyone going to be at full throttle for more than 15 seconds with the car in the power band where it would actually be making 200HP? Almost never. Which means that, in reality, the ST can produce 200HP whenever you want it to and the Mountune upgrade just ups that to 215HP, but, as far as I know, the 15 second limit remains. kambites said:
E65Ross said:
Similar price and power to an M135i or M235i..... Which have a much nicer sounding.
Completely different size though? What does a 428i cost? the 'stang will be a bargain.
Edited by Prawnboy on Thursday 18th September 18:50
unsprung said:
To achieve a sub-200g/km figure, this engine will presumably require a different tune. And/or a different specification of fuel.
... or a different fuel economy test, which happily, it does.I saw the official figure on a billboard at Victoria Station a couple of months back - it's 199g/km.
kambites said:
E65Ross said:
Similar price and power to an M135i or M235i..... Which have a much nicer sounding.
Completely different size though? What does a 428i cost? Admittedly it has 20% less power but it also emits 20% less CO2.
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