RE: Ford Mustang Ecoboost: Driven
Discussion
GTEYE said:
It looks great and seems like it might be a decent steer.
Perhaps the relative failure of the GT86/BRZ (in Europe at least) makes me wonder if there is more than a very niche market for petrol coupes, which is a great shame.
I also can't seem it competing very well against the German competition on lease deals...
Still glad they made the effort though.
I think the GT86/BRZ problem is down to insufficient imports meaning long wait times if you order one and badge snobbery. Ford may still get sales of the back of the working class hero image.Perhaps the relative failure of the GT86/BRZ (in Europe at least) makes me wonder if there is more than a very niche market for petrol coupes, which is a great shame.
I also can't seem it competing very well against the German competition on lease deals...
Still glad they made the effort though.
Trouble is the Evo8 engine is heavily stressed compared to the M5 engine. The Evo engine as many called it a chocolate engine for a reason. When engines are made to such a race spec they have Very short service intervals also and tend not to do 150k miles without major rebuilds.
thatguy11 said:
That's the point I was making, that an engine literally half the size of another can achieve the same (or even more) power through turbocharging. Yes the ecoboost engine is newer and more developed, and the Modular wasn't the most efficient of engines, but it's still impressive and shows just how significant turbocharging can be.
An Evo VIII FQ-400's 2.0L I4 produces 400bhp, the same as an E39 M5's 5.0L V8. Is that not impressive either?
An Evo VIII FQ-400's 2.0L I4 produces 400bhp, the same as an E39 M5's 5.0L V8. Is that not impressive either?
Typical genric bulls
t spouted from PH nutters. Many of your so called German barges are bigger than the Mustang. I have seen one of these in the flesh and it is not that big.
People like yourself need to stop wearing rose tinted glasses as many of the cars sold in EU over the years are huge and have caught up to the American car sizes.
t spouted from PH nutters. Many of your so called German barges are bigger than the Mustang. I have seen one of these in the flesh and it is not that big.People like yourself need to stop wearing rose tinted glasses as many of the cars sold in EU over the years are huge and have caught up to the American car sizes.
Qwert1e said:
People didn't buy the Monaro/Vauxhall VXR and aren't buying the Camaro. I doubt they will buy the Mustang either.
In USA these cars are cheap compared with the Germans. In UK they're the same price as the Germans.
And the cars are BIG for the amount of space in them. I don't think it will get much market share.
In USA these cars are cheap compared with the Germans. In UK they're the same price as the Germans.
And the cars are BIG for the amount of space in them. I don't think it will get much market share.
Hmmmm @ Dolly Parton and her juicy melons, lol
Chris71 said:
Indeed. A cleaner, greener RHD Mustang is very laudable, but people (usually people from Essex with slightly dodgy moustaches, admittedly) buy muscle cars because they offer a suitably extrovert dollop of Americana.
True, the Mustang could overcome this and sell to people who don't go line dancing and don't have Dolly Parton in the their CD collection, but only if it was much better than its European and Japanese competitors, I think.
I honestly hope to be proved wrong and I applaud Ford for doing it - we need more leftfield choices in the UK market - but a domesticated muscle car seems like an odd proposition.
True, the Mustang could overcome this and sell to people who don't go line dancing and don't have Dolly Parton in the their CD collection, but only if it was much better than its European and Japanese competitors, I think.
I honestly hope to be proved wrong and I applaud Ford for doing it - we need more leftfield choices in the UK market - but a domesticated muscle car seems like an odd proposition.
Groundhog Day.
Those of us with slightly longer memories will remember that Ford did exactly this in the mid 80s and offered a 2.3 turbo four pot 'Stang alongside the 5 litre V8. The 2.3 was faster (in those days both cars ran out at a measly 160-170 bhp) and was sold as the performance option "SVO".
The American public bought the "Five Point Oh" instead and the turbo lasted only two years.
Those of us with slightly longer memories will remember that Ford did exactly this in the mid 80s and offered a 2.3 turbo four pot 'Stang alongside the 5 litre V8. The 2.3 was faster (in those days both cars ran out at a measly 160-170 bhp) and was sold as the performance option "SVO".
The American public bought the "Five Point Oh" instead and the turbo lasted only two years.
J4CKO said:
Qussz said:
I'm struggling to see why this is better than a Focus ST3, that's even before thinking about cars from other makes.
Its Sports Coupe, not a hatchback, its a Mustang, it is more powerful, it is RWD, it is miles rarer.What other car in the UK or on the Continent offers this populist "open road" heritage coupled with the classical form factor of long hood and short rear deck? And for this price?
The EcoBoost version truly is, as the author and others here have already noted, a sort of heir to the fun and sometimes lairy motoring represented by the old Ford Capri.
I'll say it again.
A few sheet metal changes (not even that many, given its unoriginal Ford family face, a few Capri 2.3S badges (2.3 being a traditional German capacity in the past) and they could have also happily fitted a diesel and sold thousands and no-one would have cared.
When they fit a diesel to this (and having engineered RHD, they surely must), Mustang fans will howl in pain.
A few sheet metal changes (not even that many, given its unoriginal Ford family face, a few Capri 2.3S badges (2.3 being a traditional German capacity in the past) and they could have also happily fitted a diesel and sold thousands and no-one would have cared.
When they fit a diesel to this (and having engineered RHD, they surely must), Mustang fans will howl in pain.
In fact, they could have just called it a Capri without any changes.
That's a 1980 Mercury Capri...
... and that's a barely any different 1980 Mustang (both with turbo four-bangers by the way).
Meanwhile a 1978 Mercury Capri is just a federalized Ford Capri.
If an Escape can be called a Kuga and a Fusion can be called a Mondeo, this could easily have been a Capri. Yes, it's a lot bigger than a Capri but it's the size of a Mondeo... and a Capri was the size of a Cortina.
That's a 1980 Mercury Capri...
... and that's a barely any different 1980 Mustang (both with turbo four-bangers by the way).
Meanwhile a 1978 Mercury Capri is just a federalized Ford Capri.
If an Escape can be called a Kuga and a Fusion can be called a Mondeo, this could easily have been a Capri. Yes, it's a lot bigger than a Capri but it's the size of a Mondeo... and a Capri was the size of a Cortina.
Edited by CYMR0 on Thursday 18th September 21:17
Edited by CYMR0 on Thursday 18th September 21:19
Would have been great if Ford had resurrected the Capri name but it would have really needed some differences to make it worthwhile.
As for this being a modern 2.0S, I suppose range wise it is in the middle but not really comparable as it has 3 times the power of a 2.0 Capri and more than twice what a 2.8i had, another 100 on top of a Sierra Cosworth which was the range topper/halo car back then, and this is the eco special ! amazing how far things have come, even accounting for the weight increase its a big power hike and shows how blasé we have got about big power numbers that 310 bhp just gets grudging approval.
As for this being a modern 2.0S, I suppose range wise it is in the middle but not really comparable as it has 3 times the power of a 2.0 Capri and more than twice what a 2.8i had, another 100 on top of a Sierra Cosworth which was the range topper/halo car back then, and this is the eco special ! amazing how far things have come, even accounting for the weight increase its a big power hike and shows how blasé we have got about big power numbers that 310 bhp just gets grudging approval.
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