RE: Ford Mustang Ecoboost: Driven
Discussion
If its 1600kgs, would it not make it around 200kgs (ish) heavier than the current Focus ST?? Which would in turn give the Mustang better power to weight ratio than the Focus?? And the fact its rwd, and rumoured to be slightly more than mk2 focus rs money 3/4 yrs down the line, I would personally call that great value for money!!!
Its a big risk for Ford to tool up for RHD, but should it not fair well in UK and Ireland, they have Aus to fall back on as the Falcon no longer exists in Aus (replaced by the euro Mondeo)...so they will end up selling alot of them to the likes of Aus, Japan, South Africa and other RHD dependant countries, who probably lusted over a 'Stang in the past, but couldnt live with the LHD!!
And as said previously there will be a new breed of buyers for this, as the nameplate itself will help sell it, and the sense of people owning a Mustang, will be a talking point of peoples personal lives (whether its a 2.3T or V8)!
'What do you drive? A BMW 428i/Audi A5 S-Line!!
And you? A Mustang Turbo!!'
'What do you drive? A BMW M4/Audi RS5!!
And you? A Shelby Mustang !!'
The potential pub talk, sounds better already!!
Its a big risk for Ford to tool up for RHD, but should it not fair well in UK and Ireland, they have Aus to fall back on as the Falcon no longer exists in Aus (replaced by the euro Mondeo)...so they will end up selling alot of them to the likes of Aus, Japan, South Africa and other RHD dependant countries, who probably lusted over a 'Stang in the past, but couldnt live with the LHD!!
And as said previously there will be a new breed of buyers for this, as the nameplate itself will help sell it, and the sense of people owning a Mustang, will be a talking point of peoples personal lives (whether its a 2.3T or V8)!
'What do you drive? A BMW 428i/Audi A5 S-Line!!
And you? A Mustang Turbo!!'
'What do you drive? A BMW M4/Audi RS5!!
And you? A Shelby Mustang !!'
The potential pub talk, sounds better already!!
J4CKO said:
As for this being a modern 2.0S, I suppose range wise it is in the middle but not really comparable as it has 3 times the power of a 2.0 Capri and more than twice what a 2.8i had, another 100 on top of a Sierra Cosworth which was the range topper/halo car back then, and this is the eco special ! amazing how far things have come, even accounting for the weight increase its a big power hike and shows how blasé we have got about big power numbers that 310 bhp just gets grudging approval.
...as if many people will ever make much use of all of it...Some Modern cars have phenomenal performance, but I suspect that fewer and fewer people ever drive on quiet, entertaining roads -in the UK, at least.
Somebody was even complaining that the top speed was low.
Big cars like this are not ideal for entertaining roads. Smaller, more nimble, with decent performance would be more appealing to me.
Overtaking ability is the one thing that might be useful in a car like this, but the bulk of a Mondeo sized car counts against it on narrow roads.
The 2.3 Ecoboost has the highest specific output of all the engines so not sure how much more Mountune can extract?
1.0 = 125 bhp / litre (Focus, Fiesta, B-Max, etc)
1.6 = 113 bhp / litre (Fiesta ST - 182bhp)
2.0 = 124 bhp / litre (Focus ST - 248bhp)
2.3 = 135 bhp / litre (Mustang - 310bhp)
1.0 = 125 bhp / litre (Focus, Fiesta, B-Max, etc)
1.6 = 113 bhp / litre (Fiesta ST - 182bhp)
2.0 = 124 bhp / litre (Focus ST - 248bhp)
2.3 = 135 bhp / litre (Mustang - 310bhp)
CYMR0 said:
J4CKO said:
310 bhp just gets grudging approval.
... and yet a 335d (mapped) is the fastest thing in the world, ever, despite similar power and weight.Yes, I went there, but I do think that there is something 'uncool' about the fact that it's American that puts people off.
Yank cars are generally fantastic in their natrual enviroment, i.e. the USA, they can lose some of their cool on the way over when fitted with UK numberplates, its like a Lion in the Zoo, looking bored and a bit Mangy, plus they can be a bit Cowboy Boots and Stetson, there is a certain type of bloke who gravitates to cheesy Americana, but these arent that type to me, I dont think any of the new Mustangs is as long as they arent over adorned with scoops, stickers and Shelby/Roush/Saleen etc addenda, like this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2014-Ford-Mustang-ASC-DO...
A certain appeal but overblown,
Or,
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Mustang-Saleen-4-6-...
Where I am more thinking
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Mustang-/1514152644...
They have enough about them not to need all that tat, and not necessarily make you look like you wear Cowboy Boots and affect a Southern Drawl.
I think this will look pretty european, it wont stand out like earlier ones, well, not when there are a few about.
I can almost hear 300BHP wanting to wade in.
Depending on the specification, I think that at £29K this car represents excellent value for money. I really like its looks, size, that it can be had with a V8 and a manual transmission (more money I know) and the fact that it is a Mustang. When you look at what else £29K buys you then this really does look a bargain.
As for the BMW 4 series and Audi A5, I am afraid that as the majority I see are 4-pot diesels, I have absolutely no interest in the things whatsoever, to me they are just a car, simple as that. No doubt German car lovers will bang on about interior quality and (god forbid) CO2 emissions but whether the thing emits 199G/KM or 240G/KM makes no difference to me. As for the interiors of the majority of German cars, they are so dark and dull that I have lost interest in whether the quality is up to scratch or not.
What matters to me when purchasing a sports coupe is that it:
a) It is sporty to drive.
b) It Has a soundtrack to match (preferably a V8).
c) It Looks the part.
d) It has character and soul and makes you relish/remember every journey in the car.
What really DOES NOT matter to me is that is costs £XX to lease per month, that it will save me X on my company tax bill or that it does 60+ MPG. If they were concerns, I would not be buying a coupe, or indeed be spending such a large amount of money on any car when I could buy a pre-reg Insignia for £13k or so and the thing would get me from A - B just as well as any 'prestige' 4 pot diesel.
As for the BMW 4 series and Audi A5, I am afraid that as the majority I see are 4-pot diesels, I have absolutely no interest in the things whatsoever, to me they are just a car, simple as that. No doubt German car lovers will bang on about interior quality and (god forbid) CO2 emissions but whether the thing emits 199G/KM or 240G/KM makes no difference to me. As for the interiors of the majority of German cars, they are so dark and dull that I have lost interest in whether the quality is up to scratch or not.
What matters to me when purchasing a sports coupe is that it:
a) It is sporty to drive.
b) It Has a soundtrack to match (preferably a V8).
c) It Looks the part.
d) It has character and soul and makes you relish/remember every journey in the car.
What really DOES NOT matter to me is that is costs £XX to lease per month, that it will save me X on my company tax bill or that it does 60+ MPG. If they were concerns, I would not be buying a coupe, or indeed be spending such a large amount of money on any car when I could buy a pre-reg Insignia for £13k or so and the thing would get me from A - B just as well as any 'prestige' 4 pot diesel.
The outgoing model was not half as bad as some bits of this article might have you think. It was much better made than the equivalent Camaro, and handling, ride and performance well suited to the US. However, what was not so great was the cramped interior and weight. The trunk (boot) seemed to smaller than my GT86. I hope the new Mustang corrects this. But for around 18 thousand quid drive away the Mustang/Camaro/Challenger represent a lot of (fast and thirsty) metal for not a lot of cash.
What really lets today's American muscle cars down is poor packaging. They are usually too long, too heavy and without the space inside that should come with a footprint of their size. From an engineering standpoint they are rubbish. But also brutally stylish and fun at the same time.
What really lets today's American muscle cars down is poor packaging. They are usually too long, too heavy and without the space inside that should come with a footprint of their size. From an engineering standpoint they are rubbish. But also brutally stylish and fun at the same time.
Would I take the 350bhp V8 out of this and replace it with a 400bhp turbo 4 cylinder screamer. It would make the cobra a bit lighter and better balanced so from an engineering point of view yes. But aren't we PHers about the passion of motoring, I have the wonderful soundtrack of an almost unsilenced V8, you can feel the sensation of a V8 running on a Holley carb, not running perfectly but who cares theres plenty of cubes to do the job. Give me a '65 Mustang with this kind of motor not some sanitised 4 pot.
Good to see a far more balanced discussion on here than on the UK Mustang forums (a first for PH?).
I look forward to the 2.3 ecoboost and as a 2011 Mustang GT owner see it as a positive step by Ford. At 310bhp it will be more powerful than the old modular V8 and frankly I found that to be enough.
The refinement levels of Mustang went up significantly with the introduction of the new shape and interior in 2011. With an even better interior and good fuel economy I am seriously considering the 2.3 as a daily driver replacement for my wife’s car.
Obviously will want to see it in the flesh and test drive it but I see car as being right for the times we live in.
I look forward to the 2.3 ecoboost and as a 2011 Mustang GT owner see it as a positive step by Ford. At 310bhp it will be more powerful than the old modular V8 and frankly I found that to be enough.
The refinement levels of Mustang went up significantly with the introduction of the new shape and interior in 2011. With an even better interior and good fuel economy I am seriously considering the 2.3 as a daily driver replacement for my wife’s car.
Obviously will want to see it in the flesh and test drive it but I see car as being right for the times we live in.
Alex P said:
Depending on the specification, I think that at £29K this car represents excellent value for money. I really like its looks, size, that it can be had with a V8 and a manual transmission (more money I know) and the fact that it is a Mustang. When you look at what else £29K buys you then this really does look a bargain.
As for the BMW 4 series and Audi A5, I am afraid that as the majority I see are 4-pot diesels, I have absolutely no interest in the things whatsoever, to me they are just a car, simple as that. No doubt German car lovers will bang on about interior quality and (god forbid) CO2 emissions but whether the thing emits 199G/KM or 240G/KM makes no difference to me. As for the interiors of the majority of German cars, they are so dark and dull that I have lost interest in whether the quality is up to scratch or not.
What matters to me when purchasing a sports coupe is that it:
a) It is sporty to drive.
b) It Has a soundtrack to match (preferably a V8).
c) It Looks the part.
d) It has character and soul and makes you relish/remember every journey in the car.
What really DOES NOT matter to me is that is costs £XX to lease per month, that it will save me X on my company tax bill or that it does 60+ MPG. If they were concerns, I would not be buying a coupe, or indeed be spending such a large amount of money on any car when I could buy a pre-reg Insignia for £13k or so and the thing would get me from A - B just as well as any 'prestige' 4 pot diesel.
Everything he said.As for the BMW 4 series and Audi A5, I am afraid that as the majority I see are 4-pot diesels, I have absolutely no interest in the things whatsoever, to me they are just a car, simple as that. No doubt German car lovers will bang on about interior quality and (god forbid) CO2 emissions but whether the thing emits 199G/KM or 240G/KM makes no difference to me. As for the interiors of the majority of German cars, they are so dark and dull that I have lost interest in whether the quality is up to scratch or not.
What matters to me when purchasing a sports coupe is that it:
a) It is sporty to drive.
b) It Has a soundtrack to match (preferably a V8).
c) It Looks the part.
d) It has character and soul and makes you relish/remember every journey in the car.
What really DOES NOT matter to me is that is costs £XX to lease per month, that it will save me X on my company tax bill or that it does 60+ MPG. If they were concerns, I would not be buying a coupe, or indeed be spending such a large amount of money on any car when I could buy a pre-reg Insignia for £13k or so and the thing would get me from A - B just as well as any 'prestige' 4 pot diesel.
85Carrera said:
WTF have they done with the front lights though? Looks awful.
yup - with you on that 100% (not overly keen on the arse either but could live with it)chrisd87 said:
Am I the only one who laments the lack of the V6 this side of the pond?
nope - with you on that IMO most 4 bangers have got all the aural desirability of hearing your parents shagging 
These coupe and V8 purists need to realise that they are in a tiny minority.
Most people look at the tax/costs and the "perceived image" of driving a car. Actually driving the thing, on congested dual carriageways, in the Trafford Centre car park and whether it has no 'feel' is almost/entirely irrelevant.
Most people look at the tax/costs and the "perceived image" of driving a car. Actually driving the thing, on congested dual carriageways, in the Trafford Centre car park and whether it has no 'feel' is almost/entirely irrelevant.
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