Harry's Garage - YouTube

[Chicane-UK]

Escy said:

I'm surprised (and a little disappointed) that the economics come into it at all. He's loaded, seems to enjoy making them and sharing his opinion/interest/passion and he's also boosting his profile (not sure if that's something he'd care about).

Lot's of people make (arguably better quality, certainly in terms of production and editing) videos on YouTube for the love of doing so. I don't suppose taxtherich or whatever they are called cover their costs when churning up fields in Ferrari's. They do it for the attention/something to do.

It seems a shame money is an issue when he is obviously wealthy. Maybe he should consider it a hobby rather than a business venture. He probably writes off all his costs against his tax bill anyway.

I guess the point he's underscoring is that the editing costs way more than the revenue made from the video - so it's not just the cost of his time, but financial outlay getting the video edited properly which means he has to pay for every episode that airs. Surely there must be some enthusiasts who follow his channel who'd be willing to do something similar in their spare time? God knows, I know I would if I could use Adobe Premiere!

Wish Harry and Chris Harris could put their heads together on a new YouTube channel.. surely they'd rake in some very decent funding between them using Patreon, and are clearly on the same kind of page in terms of their enthusiasm, types of cars driven, and the sorts of circles they swim in!

Edited by Chicane-UK on Wednesday 21st January 20:40

[Muzzer79]

Mike22233 said:

Escy said:

I'm surprised (and a little disappointed) that the economics come into it at all. He's loaded, seems to enjoy making them and sharing his opinion/interest/passion and he's also boosting his profile (not sure if that's something he'd care about).

Lot's of people make (arguably better quality, certainly in terms of production and editing) videos on YouTube for the love of doing so. I don't suppose taxtherich or whatever they are called cover their costs when churning up fields in Ferrari's. They do it for the attention/something to do.

It seems a shame money is an issue when he is obviously wealthy. Maybe he should consider it a hobby rather than a business venture. He probably writes off all his costs against his tax bill anyway.

Thank god for some sense.

I would like to think I'd be happy to suck up some of the costs should I be in such a wonderful position. To say it's irrelevant that he is wealthy is nonsense.

I love the videos by the way.

But it IS irrelevant

Some people make videos for attention and a laugh - witness Taxtherich

Some do it for entertainment and just want their costs covered.

Some do it solely for money

I'd put Harry in category 2

If I was wealthy (as HM obviously is) I'd want to share my collection too but I'd sure as hell not be in a position where it was costing me money. Why would you? Breaking even at minimum is a requirement.

[Mike22233]

Muzzer79 said:

But it IS irrelevant

Some people make videos for attention and a laugh - witness Taxtherich

Some do it for entertainment and just want their costs covered.

Some do it solely for money

I'd put Harry in category 2

If I was wealthy (as HM obviously is) I'd want to share my collection too but I'd sure as hell not be in a position where it was costing me money. Why would you? Breaking even at minimum is a requirement.

For the love of sharing these wonderful machines.
The tiny cost is probably similar to someone on average salary dropping 50p. Anyway, will leave it there, it clearly doesn't please people to go against Harry's decision.

[tomjol]

Mike22233 said:

For the love of sharing these wonderful machines.
The tiny cost is probably similar to someone on average salary dropping 50p. Anyway, will leave it there, it clearly doesn't please people to go against Harry's decision.

I think generally when your argument is "he's rich, he should give us free stuff", people are displeased.

[Mike22233]

tomjol said:

I think generally when your argument is "he's rich, he should give us free stuff", people are displeased.

That's not it
He clearly enjoys it too

[DonkeyApple]

tomjol said:

I think generally when your argument is "he's rich, he should give us free stuff", people are displeased.

Everyone with a British passport is rich. You'll never starve, freeze or be French.

[Steve7777]

The thing is that video will have a long shelf life and will still be bringing in ad revenue in 5 years. It's not like a magazine where it has to cover its costs in a month. That said I'll donate Harry if you wear a microphone for the in-car shots so we can hear what you're saying.

[Mike22233]

Steve7777 said:

The thing is that video will have a long shelf life and will still be bringing in ad revenue in 5 years. It's not like a magazine where it has to cover its costs in a month. That said I'll donate Harry if you wear a microphone for the in-car shots so we can hear what you're saying.

I could hear him

[tomjol]

Mike22233 said:

That's not it
He clearly enjoys it too

Obviously so, but there's a limit. Time is one thing; forking out cash for editing is another.

DonkeyApple said:

Everyone with a British passport is rich. You'll never starve, freeze or be French.

Not going to disagree with that!

[M4SER]

Wow, lots of replies to answer there..

Firstly, thank you to all those who have pledged so far, I'm massively appreciative for all the support. Turning to 'why' I've set up a Patreon account; it's mainly to help justify what I'm doing.

Without that direct support, it's all too easy to say why bother when you're only going to be receiving a pittance from YouTube for your efforts but knowing there is now a group of people out there pledging and expecting regular videos to be posted is the best incentive I know to get organised to deliver exactly that. So it's more than just the money, although there's no escaping that's important too..

HM

[TREMAiNE]

Hi Harry

I love the content you make and will definitely pledge!

That Countach video was amazing and the photo of it with the spare wheel on had me in stitches!


I look forward to your future content!

[Dick Seaman]

Muzzer79 said:

If I was wealthy (as HM obviously is) I'd want to share my collection too but I'd sure as hell not be in a position where it was costing me money. Why would you? Breaking even at minimum is a requirement.

'Why would you?' For the same reason you make every other decision in your life, either consciously or subconsciously, you run a cost benefit analysis and enact a behaviour. 'Breaking even' financially is arbitrary.

Unless I'm missing something, I'd got the impression that Harry was making the (absolutely brilliant) videos because he enjoyed sharing his experience, passion, fortune and knowledge with the like-minded. He enjoyed it. He brought pleasure to many thousands and that made him feel good. That was his benefit. The fact that there are costs associated with realising that end should have been part of the original personal decision process. He does not have to do this.

So you're left with an awkward cost benefit decision making summary. Harry is prepared to give his time (and ancillary car related costs) in exchange for the pleasure that sharing his (fabulous) collection brings him; however, he's not prepared to meet the £500 (guess) editing costs. The emotional benefit he gains isn't worth that.

Over the years I've given loads of car fans rides in my (modest) toys, and let them drive, including on track. I've done this because I enjoy watching them experience the thrill of driving. I assumed that Harry's videos gave him a similar feeling too.

[hondansx]

Completely turned off after seeing his tweet moaning about YouTube. Diddums... a dream job at JLR and he gets to mince around making videos on YouTube, only to complain it doesn't make him money

Last time i checked, it didn't cost anything to upload to YouTube did it? Don't understand the problem; if he's that bothered, help YouTube find a solution. They can't make advertising contextual unless users hands over more personal data beyond browsing history.

I think it's all a good thing anyway; let's get back to reading car mags on the bog like it should be.

Edited by hondansx on Wednesday 21st January 22:22

[danjama]

hondansx said:

Completely turned off after seeing his tweet moaning about YouTube. Diddums... a dream job at JLR and he gets to mince around making videos on YouTube, only to complain it doesn't make him money

Last time i checked, it didn't cost anything to upload to YouTube did it? Don't understand the problem; if he's that bothered, help YouTube find a solution. They can't make advertising contextual unless users hands over more personal data beyond browsing history.

I think it's all a good thing anyway; let's back to reading car mags on the bog like it should be.

Glad your opinion seems to be in the minority. He has clearly explained the issue in previous posts - it's not cheap to have these (brilliant) videos professionally edited. In fact the costs for editing can be eye watering, i've seen it myself.

Harry, I will be helping out come payday.

[DonkeyApple]

M4SER said:

Wow, lots of replies to answer there..

Firstly, thank you to all those who have pledged so far, I'm massively appreciative for all the support. Turning to 'why' I've set up a Patreon account; it's mainly to help justify what I'm doing.

Without that direct support, it's all too easy to say why bother when you're only going to be receiving a pittance from YouTube for your efforts but knowing there is now a group of people out there pledging and expecting regular videos to be posted is the best incentive I know to get organised to deliver exactly that. So it's more than just the money, although there's no escaping that's important too..

HM

As mentioned last night, I would be interested in 'sponsoring' the lot on a corporate front. Please feel free to PM.

[soad]

Communist lefties expecting their free stuff, what is the world coming to?..

[matpilch]

Let me begin with saying it's a great shame that money has came to the equation once again, I have always watched Your videos with huge pleasure as You come across as a very humble and interesting person, Harry. That won't change, but You complaining about the lack of refund was just not necessery. Just let us know about Patreon and that's it.

There are loads of new and young Youtube creators, myself included, that are doing a fine job and might need revenues much more. What I'm saying is, You're having it easy, Harry, and should appreciate Your position and status, and not ruin it with talk like this.

My videos (all ~90 of them) have gathered around 8$ in a year. Obviously, they are of lower quality and the content is nowhere near as spectacular, but this is what I love doing, I get my money elsewhere and I'm not looking to quit posting videos to Youtube due to lack of revenue.

Hope the whole Patreon thing works great for you, but I think You could have handled it a bit better.

[Falsey]

I do enjoy these vids, but Im not going to pledge anything just yet. The Countach, Testarossa and Delta videos stand out to me as the best ones, and the Elan too actually. But I think you need to get the in car audio sorted out a bit - not that Im complaining about hearing a nice Lambo V12 wailing away, but it does make it difficult to catch what you are saying sometimes!

My worry would be what are the future videos going to be once you have exhausted your current collection? Another Countach run?

Will keep watching and maybe pledging in the future if the quality keeps up.

Another minor note, that a lot of people seem to be heading Patreon ways, and I can see it being a case of having to just pick a couple for fear of being bled dry by a hundred people at a time wanting a few quid.

[hdrflow]

YouTube revenue model doesn't really work for small productions (or not anymore) and this move isn't surprising unfortunately. Even channels like MotorTrend have cut down on the number of videos compared to last year, not to mention Drive, although some of the stuff on Drive is coming back.

I can understand Harry wanting to break even on the editing costs but things like Patreon and recurring payments are not for me. And yes you can delete the details and so on but is not based around that.

[MitchT]

Falsey said:

My worry would be what are the future videos going to be once you have exhausted your current collection? Another Countach run?

A thoroughly documented epic road trip, perhaps? I remember watching the original Countach film and thinking how much I'd love to have seen two hours of that. I'd happily pay for a DVD/download via iTunes, etc (or whatever) of Harry doing an inter-continental blast in a classic Italian supercar with sections of hard-driving, commentary about the car, explanation of best roads to take, pieces on where to stop off en-route, etc. Think Francesco's Italy: Top to Toe but trans-European and with more emphasis on the car while also taking in hotels, food & drink, places of interest to petrolheads, best routes, etc.