Ford Ecoboost Engine Failure (TWICE)
Discussion
IanCress said:
It might be small in capacity, but it produces as much power as the old 2.0 Focus Mk1, with a longer top gear. I don't see any reason why you shouldn't choose a car like this for big miles.
Anyway, as you said, it's off topic!
It's not about how much power it produces that makes it unsuited to the task. It's how highly strung it is (specific power output).Anyway, as you said, it's off topic!
As you say the old 2.0 Zetec was putting out a similar amount of power. Large capacity lazy engines aren't as highly stressed. 125hp/L is pretty high really.
hora said:
Two things. Is the car for commercial use i.e. rental, courier or..... learner driver school?
If you've had the car in before and its had some sort of commercial use evident then would Ford look at this?
Also- I was under the impression that every part fitted to your car post-car purchase had its own 12month warranty. Otherwise if the car was say 23months old when the engine was replaced it'd only come with 1month? For such a major item I bet theres something caselaw at least on the net.
Its a company car. 1 driver since new, and a steady one at that.If you've had the car in before and its had some sort of commercial use evident then would Ford look at this?
Also- I was under the impression that every part fitted to your car post-car purchase had its own 12month warranty. Otherwise if the car was say 23months old when the engine was replaced it'd only come with 1month? For such a major item I bet theres something caselaw at least on the net.
We have purchased lots of cars in the past through the dealer, so we are known to them.
As mentioned above, the new parts fitted under warranty DO NOT have 12 months warranty.
If you pay or contribute towards the cost, then they do get 12 months!
We argued this at the first replacement, and will do so even more forcefully now!
hora said:
Also- I was under the impression that every part fitted to your car post-car purchase had its own 12month warranty. Otherwise if the car was say 23months old when the engine was replaced it'd only come with 1month? For such a major item I bet theres something caselaw at least on the net.
Looking at this the other way, if they were to give a fresh warranty with every new part, they could end up having to indefinitely replace the partxxChrisxx said:
It's not about how much power it produces that makes it unsuited to the task. It's how highly strung it is (specific power output).
As you say the old 2.0 Zetec was putting out a similar amount of power. Large capacity lazy engines aren't as highly stressed. 125hp/L is pretty high really.
So? How much of your driving time are you realistically spent at peak power? Or the peak torque threshold?As you say the old 2.0 Zetec was putting out a similar amount of power. Large capacity lazy engines aren't as highly stressed. 125hp/L is pretty high really.
xxChrisxx said:
It's not about how much power it produces that makes it unsuited to the task. It's how highly strung it is (specific power output).
As you say the old 2.0 Zetec was putting out a similar amount of power. Large capacity lazy engines aren't as highly stressed. 125hp/L is pretty high really.
In these days of modern turbo charged engines, 125bhp/L isn't particularly high. The ecoboost cars will lope along at 2500rpm on the motorway, with plenty of torque in reserve. It's easily a match for a naturally aspirated 2.0 engine at low revs.As you say the old 2.0 Zetec was putting out a similar amount of power. Large capacity lazy engines aren't as highly stressed. 125hp/L is pretty high really.
53catalina said:
Repair bill quoted as £4,500. Not happy :-(
Presumably that's price of the new engine and labour cost?Otherwise, just sayin'...
http://www.partsworldperformance.com/ls3-v8-crate-...
(I know it isn't suitable, I just wanted to highlight how cheap it is)
xxChrisxx said:
IanCress said:
It might be small in capacity, but it produces as much power as the old 2.0 Focus Mk1, with a longer top gear. I don't see any reason why you shouldn't choose a car like this for big miles.
Anyway, as you said, it's off topic!
It's not about how much power it produces that makes it unsuited to the task. It's how highly strung it is (specific power output).Anyway, as you said, it's off topic!
As you say the old 2.0 Zetec was putting out a similar amount of power. Large capacity lazy engines aren't as highly stressed. 125hp/L is pretty high really.
At peak performance though, the turbo apparently spins at near 250,000 rpm which I'm not sure is either impressive or slightly worrying!
Op, I notice you're a business customer. They might assume you're an easy cash cow and can simply write it off. Deffo kick up a fuss, I'm sure they'd treat a private owner a bit differently.
SturdyHSV said:
Presumably that's price of the new engine and labour cost?
Otherwise, just sayin'...
http://www.partsworldperformance.com/ls3-v8-crate-...
(I know it isn't suitable, I just wanted to highlight how cheap it is)
If there's anything porn has taught me it's that it always fits....Otherwise, just sayin'...
http://www.partsworldperformance.com/ls3-v8-crate-...
(I know it isn't suitable, I just wanted to highlight how cheap it is)
zeppelin101 said:
So? How much of your driving time are you realistically spent at peak power? Or the peak torque threshold?
Even at part throttle, a downsized turbocharged engine will have much higher cylinder pressures than a larger capacity engine. The mechanical loading of everything is higher. It's not mechanical loading that I'm thinking about though.My thought's are behind the cooling system. The Ecoboost has a teeny tiny block, which is not a lot of iron to heat up. Especially v.s. a relatively big 2.0L block. It still takes the same amount of power to sustain cruise, waste heat is proportional to power output. You are putting out the same waste heat into a much smaller system.
I have driven the 1.0L ecoboost, though I'm not intimately familiar with it. I've heard a couple of people claiming that it heat soaks after a sustained high speed cruise. (vague and unsubstantiated I know, but who knows it does seem to fit).
We have a 12 month old Fiesta Ecoboost, currently on 21500 miles so this thread is slightly worrying.
I thought we must have one of the highest mileage Ecoboost's in the country but your mileage is on another level. Still, we should be at 30k by Feb 2015 so will keep eyes peeled for any problems.
So far the car has run without fault.
I thought we must have one of the highest mileage Ecoboost's in the country but your mileage is on another level. Still, we should be at 30k by Feb 2015 so will keep eyes peeled for any problems.
So far the car has run without fault.
topless360 said:
We have a 12 month old Fiesta Ecoboost, currently on 21500 miles so this thread is slightly worrying.
I thought we must have one of the highest mileage Ecoboost's in the country but your mileage is on another level. Still, we should be at 30k by Feb 2015 so will keep eyes peeled for any problems.
So far the car has run without fault.
I wouldn't be worried, it's easy to listen to horror stories and assume that reliability issues are a guaranteed thing, generally they affect tiny numbers out of the total amount produced.I thought we must have one of the highest mileage Ecoboost's in the country but your mileage is on another level. Still, we should be at 30k by Feb 2015 so will keep eyes peeled for any problems.
So far the car has run without fault.
53catalina said:
It was mentioned as the part that failed was the hose, i.e. not part of the engine, it is definately out of warranty. I have asked why the hose wasnt replaced, but was told that it must have looked ok when the engine was changed!
Just to clarify - The hose had failed which caused the first engine to go, but they didn't change it when replacing the engine?Or have I got it wrong?
I've got an Ford Ecoboost currently around the 19,000 mile mark.
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