Regularly Travelling At 60 In A 30. No Remorse
Discussion
yonex said:
Pan Pan said:
I was talking about `your' paragraph before the boxed quotes.
It doesn't take a massive search on your previous posts to reveal exactly what you are talking about. a. don't care about you,
b. don't care about your diary,
c. are going to get in your way sometimes.
42k miles pa. I think you should find another job - for all our sakes.
Pan Pan said:
Some people should try to think of others, rather than just themselves, and their own tiny world.
The irony - it burns !!!!!Pan Pan said:
How do you know the driver in the car behind does not have someone who needs to get to hospital urgently? I had to take a woman to hospital in this way, where seconds counted for both her, and her baby. I have to admit that was one time when my stress levels did rise, when coming up behind an ignorant myopic, selfish driver dawdling at well below the posted limit. Some people should try to think of others, rather than just themselves, and their own tiny world.
When I was learning, the instructor said that I'd fail the test if I didn't get reasonably close to the speed limit. He called it making progress, and not holding people up. Driving used to be about getting to places quickly. Because buses are so slow and rubbish outside of London, the car is the best alternative. Speed limits are actively campaigned against by bus companies who would like them lowered, so as to reduce the speed advantage of the car. Check out who supports Brake, lots of bus interests there. Wonder why...
Phatboy317 said:
Blakewater said:
Now we've got people wanting them all to be 20mph because that's the recommended speed at which to run children over.
It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.I can just picture someone asking which child they should be running over so they can ensure that they're doing exactly 20 when they do so.
http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/news/local/20mph-s...
The vast majority of people go through life keeping themselves to themselves, not signing petitions, filling in surveys, waving placards and protesting, and they don't do any harm to anyone. They get told so much that they're driving too fast, not recycling enough, killing the planet with their vacuum cleaners and so on they don't pay any attention any more. It's all just a background nuisance they try to ignore as much as they can.
The problem with BRAKE surveys is that the only people inclined to answer them are those who'll follow what they say like it's religious instruction and so the surveys will inevitably show people agreeing with what they say. It's like consumer satisfaction surveys. Satisfied people don't fill them in, only people with a complaint and habitual moaners. For every survey that says most people think speed limits should be cut another says most people brake speed limits and think slow drivers should be punished more severely. The IAM conducted a survey that found people don't want 20mph limits everywhere and their research revealed accident rates are increasing in them. BRAKE members responded on Twitter by calling them a bunch of boy racers.
A lot of what BRAKE say makes sense. It's good that they support children who's parents have been bereaved in road accidents. The stuff about eye tests, not driving under the influence of alcohol and drugs and teaching children road safety is good. The trouble is they've latched onto the idea of lowering speed limits everywhere and slow being automatically safe and they follow it like a religion in that they willfully ignore anyone who speaks against it or get aggressively defensive.
Tannedbaldhead said:
Local Authority has recently dropped a pile of dual carriageways within town from 50 to 30. Do my best not to speed but have caught myself travelling at the old limit (and then some) if not on the ball. So 60 in a 30? If I get caught I have no one to blame but myself and will accept a thrown book with good grace.
Anyone going to say my doubling of a speed limit is a disgrace and that my head should be hung in shame?
No I understand where you coming from.Dual carriageway where I live.Max speed allowed 40mph.Regular speed checks by the cops it is a moneymaker.Narrow country roads max speed limit 60mph.I am scratching my head what is this all about?Anyone going to say my doubling of a speed limit is a disgrace and that my head should be hung in shame?
HertsBiker said:
yonex said:
Which has sod all to do with 60 in a 30.
Unless the 60 is reduced to a 30 as per the original post? Or had you forgotten. Look at the title, it's a clue! 
I understand where the OP is coming from - I make the effort to challenge the "Brake" / "Speed Kills" mentality where I can and maybe it'll eventually cost me. I'd rather that than blindly obey though...I think I'd rather take a bullet. Oh, and why is it that slowcoaches can't do what I do when driving the Discovery? - If someone wants to go faster, give them the opportunity to pass!
Clivey said:
nickfrog said:
I had no idea I was that right about you judging others by your own standards either.
Complying with simple legal requirements is really not that difficult.
Are you (or is anyone else here) saying that you never speed? Complying with simple legal requirements is really not that difficult.
In other circumstances, possibly, but never knowingly or by more than a small margin.
But then again, I only do 8k miles a year. And quite frankly, if I had to do 42k miles / year I might become angry too and come up with absurd view points too, but I would certainly try and change jobs or career or whatever.
Edited by nickfrog on Sunday 5th October 15:34
nickfrog said:
In a 30 ? Never. Ever.
I understand that sentiment in residential areas etc. but there are a lot of 30 zones that used to be a NSL and have been reduced due to meddlesome politicians / Helen Lovejoy types. A road local to me was reduced to 40 after a few crashes - none of them were down to speed. The last was a triple fatality after the driver got drunk and drugged-up then binned it in the wet (still under the old 60 limit). The way things are going, there will be no NSL zones left soon (and some want the NSL to be 30mph!).nickfrog said:
In other circumstances, possibly, but never knowingly or by more than a small margin.
To be honest (and this isn't a personal attack), everyone that I've met, who I've subsequently become a passenger of, and has claimed that they never speed has done so with me present. I'll go as far as to say "Show me someone that says they never speed and I'll show you a liar.*"* Provided they're in a vehicle that's actually capable of speeding.
Of course, some will make an effort not to but everyone does it. The way some people bleat on about it, we should all be dead by now or at least in prison.
nickfrog said:
But then again, I only do 8k miles a year. And quite frankly, if I had to do 42k miles / year I might become angry too and come up with absurd view points too, but I would certainly try and change jobs or career or whatever.
TBH I often find that those doing lots of mileage per year tend to have more realistic views. Of course, there are exceptions. I struggle to understand how any car enthusiast (particularly a fan of "sporty" cars) who can think for themselves can blindly agree with the hypocrite bubblewrap brigade propaganda and their "The Law is the Law" viewpoints.It also seems their is a massive case of double standards on PH, particularly of late. Stories of some people's high speed driving are met with admiration and envy, yet when someone has an accident, they're immediately demonised regardless of whether the risk they took was less, equal or more than the "hero".
Clive, remember the title and therefore the context of this thread. "Regularly Travelling At 60 In A 30. No Remorse".
We're not talking about 75mph on the motorway here nor momentarily straying to 45 in a 40. Those situations are already covered by "the law" which has a reasonable and fair in-built enforcement buffer as you know.
We're not talking about 75mph on the motorway here nor momentarily straying to 45 in a 40. Those situations are already covered by "the law" which has a reasonable and fair in-built enforcement buffer as you know.
yonex said:
HertsBiker said:
Unless the 60 is reduced to a 30 as per the original post? Or had you forgotten. Look at the title, it's a clue!
Its no surprise you are in support of not paying attention to speed limits really, it goes well with your general attitude to other road users. I'll save you the time. I think there is a right time for speed, a safe speed, and there are other times when going fast is not appropriate. So how does this factor in to your criticism? And I am a 'vulnerable road user' and responsible for my own safety. Perhaps you overstepped the mark here?
HertsBiker said:
Go on then, tell me what my attitude is, you seem to know all about me?
I'll save you the time. I think there is a right time for speed, a safe speed, and there are other times when going fast is not appropriate. So how does this factor in to your criticism? And I am a 'vulnerable road user' and responsible for my own safety. Perhaps you overstepped the mark here?
I know what you post, which is mainly a bunch of whingimg about other road users getting in your way. I really can't be bothered to trawl through them but it's all there. I'll save you the time. I think there is a right time for speed, a safe speed, and there are other times when going fast is not appropriate. So how does this factor in to your criticism? And I am a 'vulnerable road user' and responsible for my own safety. Perhaps you overstepped the mark here?
HTH
Chimune said:
yonex said:
Pan Pan said:
I was talking about `your' paragraph before the boxed quotes.
It doesn't take a massive search on your previous posts to reveal exactly what you are talking about. a. don't care about you,
b. don't care about your diary,
c. are going to get in your way sometimes.
42k miles pa. I think you should find another job - for all our sakes.
Pan Pan said:
Some people should try to think of others, rather than just themselves, and their own tiny world.
The irony - it burns !!!!!Any idiot with a hole in his backside can do a few thousand miles a year, and manage to avoid accidents, doing the same at anything above 30 thousand miles per year takes a bit more. This is not about my driving, but about what roads are `actually' for. They are not a playground, for a few low mileage drivers who want to play at being drivers. They are literally the arteries of the country which allow it to survive. Those who only play at being drivers, are the equivalent of a thrombosis. If a persons driving skill is not sufficient to allow them to drive at the low set posted limits, or best speed allowed by road conditions, they should consider whether they are actually suited to operating a motor vehicle on public roads. Some might `want' to be a brain surgeon, or a company director or fighter pilot, but if they do not have the attitude, or aptitude to carry out such activities to a suitable standard, there is no way they should be allowed to engage in them. If people cannot achieve, and maintain at least the low set standards of the driving test, they have no real right to be on the road, as the operator of a motor vehicle.
Pan Pan said:
And you sound like a low mileage, low skill Sunday driver, who doesn't care about driving safely, or to a decent standard, and doesn't care about how many other drivers journeys you disrupt, who just uses the roads to play with your Sunday toy. the problem is that sometimes you probably do this on a week day.
Any idiot with a hole in his backside can do a few thousand miles a year, and manage to avoid accidents, doing the same at anything above 30 thousand miles per year takes a bit more. This is not about my driving, but about what roads are `actually' for. They are not a playground, for a few low mileage drivers who want to play at being drivers. They are literally the arteries of the country which allow it to survive. Those who only play at being drivers, are the equivalent of a thrombosis. If a persons driving skill is not sufficient to allow them to drive at the low set posted limits, or best speed allowed by road conditions, they should consider whether they are actually suited to operating a motor vehicle on public roads. Some might `want' to be a brain surgeon, or a company director or fighter pilot, but if they do not have the attitude, or aptitude to carry out such activities to a suitable standard, there is no way they should be allowed to engage in them. If people cannot achieve, and maintain at least the low set standards of the driving test, they have no real right to be on the road, as the operator of a motor vehicle.
Actually it is about your driving and self inflated opinion of your skill levels. I would say that if we graded driver mentality yours would have several traits that are not desirable on the public road. Anyway, don't let me stop you, keep digging it is providing much entertainment. Any idiot with a hole in his backside can do a few thousand miles a year, and manage to avoid accidents, doing the same at anything above 30 thousand miles per year takes a bit more. This is not about my driving, but about what roads are `actually' for. They are not a playground, for a few low mileage drivers who want to play at being drivers. They are literally the arteries of the country which allow it to survive. Those who only play at being drivers, are the equivalent of a thrombosis. If a persons driving skill is not sufficient to allow them to drive at the low set posted limits, or best speed allowed by road conditions, they should consider whether they are actually suited to operating a motor vehicle on public roads. Some might `want' to be a brain surgeon, or a company director or fighter pilot, but if they do not have the attitude, or aptitude to carry out such activities to a suitable standard, there is no way they should be allowed to engage in them. If people cannot achieve, and maintain at least the low set standards of the driving test, they have no real right to be on the road, as the operator of a motor vehicle.
Pan Pan said:
If people cannot achieve, and maintain at least the low set standards of the driving test, they have no real right to be on the road, as the operator of a motor vehicle.
I think we can all agree on this. Getting frustrated at vehicles traveling slower than your calculated 'safe speed' during the driving test, would be a massive failure to reach even those low standards.....
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