Regularly Travelling At 60 In A 30. No Remorse
Discussion
Debaser said:
Terminator X said:
Isn't there some "rule" that if more than 80% of people are speeding then the limit is set too low on that stretch? Far too sensible in 2014 I guess 
TX.
If that was a rule they'd have increased the limit on the M40 years ago. TX.
Interestingly, the 'safest' drivers are generally those that are slightly above the limit, imagine a sort of nike swoosh shaped curve with the lowest point being about 5-10% above the posted limit. The suggested explanation for this is that those at that speed are more likely to be driving to the conditions, or at least know the speed limit, what they are then 'allowed' over that, and generally are actually paying attention... Those then travelling significantly over that are of course far more likely to be in an accident, but interestingly, those blindly sticking to the limit are also more likely to be involved in an accident.
Whether this likelihood was presented as an actual probability 'per driver' I can only hope, but to be honest I don't remember. I've tried before to find this report again but Googling such a contentious subject, it's tough to wade through all the daily wail/mumsnet shouting... If I dig it up again, I'll post it here. As for the OP, it doesn't really matter what you think is appropriate or what the limit was. You're now well over it, and you're snookered if caught. What was the reason for the change? Ask the local council for the data gathered at the site that was used in justifying the change in speed limit. Say it's under the freedom of information act. They have to give it to you unless it would take an unreasonable amount of time, which it won't.
Whereabouts is the road / what local authority?
Authorities should be careful how they apply speed limits, especially if they begin setting limits that are too low for a given section of road, for spurious reasons.
If authorities continue to do this they can hardly be surprised if the `Cry Wolf' syndrome set in and the general public start to ignore speed limits altogether, because they know that a certain ne low set limit is not appropriate for that section of road.
If authorities continue to do this they can hardly be surprised if the `Cry Wolf' syndrome set in and the general public start to ignore speed limits altogether, because they know that a certain ne low set limit is not appropriate for that section of road.
I do wonder on pistonheads just how low the speed limits would have to go before people like pork911 would actually question them.
Say, for instance there was a blanket 5mph across the whole country, would these sort of nonsense posters still be using the 'laws the law', 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time' rubbish.
We are frighteningly conservative in this country. We have small minded beaurocrats and people who are too afraid to speak their minds.
Chap posts on here to say a speed limit is too low. Once upon a time we would all have been looking on google maps to give an opinion, now we have people like pork911 who consider the opinion has already been handed to us by the local councils.
Makes my blood boil that we are so weak knee'd in this country. I would actually advocate terminator x answer. That you should be able to curb the speeds of the top twenty per cent on a road, but you shouldn't be able to ticket 80% of the people on a road.
Say, for instance there was a blanket 5mph across the whole country, would these sort of nonsense posters still be using the 'laws the law', 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time' rubbish.
We are frighteningly conservative in this country. We have small minded beaurocrats and people who are too afraid to speak their minds.
Chap posts on here to say a speed limit is too low. Once upon a time we would all have been looking on google maps to give an opinion, now we have people like pork911 who consider the opinion has already been handed to us by the local councils.
Makes my blood boil that we are so weak knee'd in this country. I would actually advocate terminator x answer. That you should be able to curb the speeds of the top twenty per cent on a road, but you shouldn't be able to ticket 80% of the people on a road.
I do sort of sympathise as 30 can feel extremely slow if you've become used to travelling on a certain road at 50. You may feel hard done by if given a ticket for doing something that until recently would have been perfectly legal.
BUT, if 30 is the new limit then 30's the new limit. If you want to drive at the old limit then that's up to you...
BUT, if 30 is the new limit then 30's the new limit. If you want to drive at the old limit then that's up to you...
julian64 said:
I do wonder on pistonheads just how low the speed limits would have to go before people like pork911 would actually question them.
Say, for instance there was a blanket 5mph across the whole country, would these sort of nonsense posters still be using the 'laws the law', 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time' rubbish.
We are frighteningly conservative in this country. We have small minded beaurocrats and people who are too afraid to speak their minds.
Chap posts on here to say a speed limit is too low. Once upon a time we would all have been looking on google maps to give an opinion, now we have people like pork911 who consider the opinion has already been handed to us by the local councils.
Makes my blood boil that we are so weak knee'd in this country. I would actually advocate terminator x answer. That you should be able to curb the speeds of the top twenty per cent on a road, but you shouldn't be able to ticket 80% of the people on a road.
Does amaze me how conditioned people are nowadays to accept anything authority throws at them. Say, for instance there was a blanket 5mph across the whole country, would these sort of nonsense posters still be using the 'laws the law', 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time' rubbish.
We are frighteningly conservative in this country. We have small minded beaurocrats and people who are too afraid to speak their minds.
Chap posts on here to say a speed limit is too low. Once upon a time we would all have been looking on google maps to give an opinion, now we have people like pork911 who consider the opinion has already been handed to us by the local councils.
Makes my blood boil that we are so weak knee'd in this country. I would actually advocate terminator x answer. That you should be able to curb the speeds of the top twenty per cent on a road, but you shouldn't be able to ticket 80% of the people on a road.
Tannedbaldhead said:
Local Authority has recently dropped a pile of dual carriageways within town from 50 to 30. Do my best not to speed but have caught myself travelling at the old limit (and then some) if not on the ball. So 60 in a 30? If I get caught I have no one to blame but myself and will accept a thrown book with good grace.
Anyone going to say my doubling of a speed limit is a disgrace and that my head should be hung in shame?
It's a bit daft to do that as the Police and local Scamera Pratnership will target those roads as they'll know many drivers will do the same as you so it's an easy source of revenue.Anyone going to say my doubling of a speed limit is a disgrace and that my head should be hung in shame?
If you haven't seen them monitoring the road so far then be extra careful as they'll start doing it and will say they've done people a favour by leaving it for a while so local's could get used to the new limits.
When the traffic is light enough to allow you to do 50-60 in a 30 is exactly the time they're likely to out looking.
Tannedbaldhead said:
Local Authority has recently dropped a pile of dual carriageways within town from 50 to 30. Do my best not to speed but have caught myself travelling at the old limit (and then some) if not on the ball. So 60 in a 30? If I get caught I have no one to blame but myself and will accept a thrown book with good grace.
Anyone going to say my doubling of a speed limit is a disgrace and that my head should be hung in shame?
So you know the limits and are aware of the consequences if you get caught. Anyone going to say my doubling of a speed limit is a disgrace and that my head should be hung in shame?
That's about the size of it. You know what to do.
Funkycoldribena said:
julian64 said:
I do wonder on pistonheads just how low the speed limits would have to go before people like pork911 would actually question them.
Say, for instance there was a blanket 5mph across the whole country, would these sort of nonsense posters still be using the 'laws the law', 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time' rubbish.
We are frighteningly conservative in this country. We have small minded beaurocrats and people who are too afraid to speak their minds.
Chap posts on here to say a speed limit is too low. Once upon a time we would all have been looking on google maps to give an opinion, now we have people like pork911 who consider the opinion has already been handed to us by the local councils.
Makes my blood boil that we are so weak knee'd in this country. I would actually advocate terminator x answer. That you should be able to curb the speeds of the top twenty per cent on a road, but you shouldn't be able to ticket 80% of the people on a road.
Does amaze me how conditioned people are nowadays to accept anything authority throws at them. Say, for instance there was a blanket 5mph across the whole country, would these sort of nonsense posters still be using the 'laws the law', 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time' rubbish.
We are frighteningly conservative in this country. We have small minded beaurocrats and people who are too afraid to speak their minds.
Chap posts on here to say a speed limit is too low. Once upon a time we would all have been looking on google maps to give an opinion, now we have people like pork911 who consider the opinion has already been handed to us by the local councils.
Makes my blood boil that we are so weak knee'd in this country. I would actually advocate terminator x answer. That you should be able to curb the speeds of the top twenty per cent on a road, but you shouldn't be able to ticket 80% of the people on a road.
Until OP provides more information we only have him saying it's changed and he's unable rather than unwilling to drive within it (though of course it's more likely the latter reason).
Regardless, let's not pretend anyone's speeding is some sort of principled civil disobedience.
The speed limit on a road on my old commute dropped
Once I realised i found no problem sticking to the new limit, even if it felt like I was restrained (down hill, and on my motorbike, it felt happier at 40 mph than 30 mph)
Sooooo you know, just slow down.
Or gun it if there is no-one around and just slow down for the GATSO
Once I realised i found no problem sticking to the new limit, even if it felt like I was restrained (down hill, and on my motorbike, it felt happier at 40 mph than 30 mph)
Sooooo you know, just slow down.
Or gun it if there is no-one around and just slow down for the GATSO
Try and get it changed. It worked here http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/Motorists-suppor...
The 30 limit was daft here, compounded by average speed cameras. The road was built as an 'expressway', no pavements or side roads not controlled by lights. Sensibly back up to 40mph.
The 30 limit was daft here, compounded by average speed cameras. The road was built as an 'expressway', no pavements or side roads not controlled by lights. Sensibly back up to 40mph.
"No Remorse", I can see the point where the speed limit has been lowered and the limit seems ridiculous for that road but the remorse will come when you get nicked for 60 in a 30, I got done for 76 in a 50 I think it was.
I very narrowly avoided six points, the road in question had previously been a 70 mph limit, no point in arguing, it was clearly marked and I got caught, bleating about what it used to be would not have much impact on the NIP that arrived, or in your case, 60 in a 30, a summons, large fine, points and possible ban, I doubt magistrates would be all that sympathetic either.
I very narrowly avoided six points, the road in question had previously been a 70 mph limit, no point in arguing, it was clearly marked and I got caught, bleating about what it used to be would not have much impact on the NIP that arrived, or in your case, 60 in a 30, a summons, large fine, points and possible ban, I doubt magistrates would be all that sympathetic either.
pork911 said:
Where did I say the change in this limit must be sensible?
Until OP provides more information we only have him saying it's changed and he's unable rather than unwilling to drive within it (though of course it's more likely the latter reason).
Regardless, let's not pretend anyone's speeding is some sort of principled civil disobedience.
Some is some isn't. Lets not pretend everone who breaks a speed limit is a criminal.Until OP provides more information we only have him saying it's changed and he's unable rather than unwilling to drive within it (though of course it's more likely the latter reason).
Regardless, let's not pretend anyone's speeding is some sort of principled civil disobedience.
A general rule of thumb that has served me well is that in the absence of any common sense I tend to use my own.
People who follow signs with blind acceptance tend not to have much.
julian64 said:
Some is some isn't. Lets not pretend everone who breaks a speed limit is a criminal.
A general rule of thumb that has served me well is that in the absence of any common sense I tend to use my own.
People who follow signs with blind acceptance tend not to have much.
This is hilarious. So all the regular bashing about cycling on PH and when a motorist posts up he doesn't really understand how to control his speed he is greeted mostly with some sympathy? PH, consistency matters. Since when does making up a set of personal rules make sense, common or otherwise? A general rule of thumb that has served me well is that in the absence of any common sense I tend to use my own.
People who follow signs with blind acceptance tend not to have much.
Basically the OP should hand his licence in if he can't, or wont keep his speed down. Either that or sign up to a Speed Awareness Course. Oh and let's state facts. Everyone who speeds IS breaking the Road Traffic Act, there is no 'fudge factor' it is pretty straight forward. This blase attitude to the roads is the primary cause of the tension between road users.
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