Regularly Travelling At 60 In A 30. No Remorse
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stephen300o said:
Driving on a dual carriage way at thirty is pretty ridiculous.
That's getting back to the point of the OPShould any DC have a 30? In the OP's case if 60 is safe why is it 30?
You only have to measure traffic speeds where they've extended 30s along open roads outside towns and villages, to see that often many, if not most, road users safely travel towards 60 and are also showing no remorse.
Each speed limit value should have a place.
Pan Pan said:
FFS slow drivers ARE dangerous, perhaps fortunately not as numerous, or dangerous as those who want to exceed posted limits, or who drive beyond what their vehicle or road conditions would safely allow, but they are dangerous nevertheless. How many times do I have to repeat that `inappropriate' speed is what causes problems on public roads.
Repeating the same thing over and over does not make it true, and is not a convincing arguement. What exactly is dangerous about doing 45 in a 60 limit?Pan Pan said:
P.s I would be interested in your reaction if someone you know, or loved died because the ambulance/ vehicle they were in, was baulked for `vital' minutes by a myopic dawdler, as I have seen on a number of occasions.
This is classic case of looking for someone, anyone to blame for a stressful situation which you can't control. There were many things that contributed to that example, but people die because they are ill, or have an accident. They don't die because it took an additional 84 seconds to get to hospital. And FWIW on the frequent occasions I've driven my son to A&E I've explicitly driven below the limit because I know the situation is likely to skew my judgement.Pan Pan said:
P.s I would be interested in your reaction if someone you know, or loved died because the ambulance/ vehicle they were in, was baulked for `vital' minutes by a myopic dawdler, as I have seen on a number of occasions.
Do these people not realize that there are in fact, other road users on the roads around them?
1. Emergency situations are few and far between so are irrelevant. Using your methodology (in ref to child travel sickness) you should have called an ambulance and had no business putting others at risk.Do these people not realize that there are in fact, other road users on the roads around them?
2. Ambulance drivers have blue lights and klaxons to alert those around them and are both trained and experienced.
3. Hold ups on the road take many forms. Very rarely will a single car hold you up for multiple minutes.
You are making all of this up to fit with your attitude towards everyone else on the road, frankly you are a bit of a danger. The worst thing is that you cannot see any of this and keep referring to your ludicrous analogies of fighter pilots and brain surgeons citing the aptitude for their roles somehow aligns with yours on the road, travelling 42K miles a year. The fact is you are kidding yourself and have a problem.
nickfrog said:
stephen300o said:
Driving on a dual carriage way at thirty is pretty ridiculous.
Making sweeping statements is pretty ridiculous.Edited by stephen300o on Thursday 9th October 18:24
stephen300o said:
These roads are designed to cover ground faster, every time some silly sod has brain fade, the limits are brought down to their level. This bush of tar is insulting to regular driver.
And thus it has always been this way.what several posters here don't understand is why this is news to panpan, and why he hasn't managed to find a coping strategy yet....
Chimune said:
stephen300o said:
These roads are designed to cover ground faster, every time some silly sod has brain fade, the limits are brought down to their level. This bush of tar is insulting to regular driver.
And thus it has always been this way.what several posters here don't understand is why this is news to panpan, and why he hasn't managed to find a coping strategy yet....
They're supposed to check whether its due to a brain fader and keep the limit where it is. Otherwise you'll increase the number of brain faders and accidents go up.
Certain people won't be happy until everybody else is stuck behind them and their high horse bicycle. Woe betide anyone wanting to make progress (in any sense). 
Rather than the "time penalty", often the most annoying thing about being stuck behind a slow, hesitant driver is having to work harder to maintain a safe gap behind them. Some people's responses to seemingly everything are to hit the middle pedal. Oncoming car? Brake. Slight curve in the road? Brake. "Ice" road sign in August? Brake. etc. etc. It's worse when following them up a hill and/or driving a diesel. You end-up rowing through the gearbox when you'd usually maintain enough speed to cruise along in a single gear.
As I said earlier, if I'm driving the Discovery and someone wants past, I make an effort to facilitate that. - Beside the fact that it's more considerate, I'd rather let them go on their way than have them trying to crawl up my backside.
Rather than the "time penalty", often the most annoying thing about being stuck behind a slow, hesitant driver is having to work harder to maintain a safe gap behind them. Some people's responses to seemingly everything are to hit the middle pedal. Oncoming car? Brake. Slight curve in the road? Brake. "Ice" road sign in August? Brake. etc. etc. It's worse when following them up a hill and/or driving a diesel. You end-up rowing through the gearbox when you'd usually maintain enough speed to cruise along in a single gear.
As I said earlier, if I'm driving the Discovery and someone wants past, I make an effort to facilitate that. - Beside the fact that it's more considerate, I'd rather let them go on their way than have them trying to crawl up my backside.
Pan Pan said:
....nearly two very slow miles, where the dawdler was crawling at between 27 ( and at very best 30 mph) on a 40 mph country road in an a Mercedes C class.
Seeing as you keep bringing this up panpan, lets get some perspective:Worst case according to your figs:
2 miles @ 27mph takes 4mins 24 sec travel.
2 miles @ 40mph takes 3mins to travel.
You were delayed by 84 seconds.
There was no ambulance available to your loved one.
One of these events is shocking....
Clivey said:
Certain people won't be happy until everybody else is stuck behind them and their high horse bicycle. Woe betide anyone wanting to make progress (in any sense).
Rather than the "time penalty", often the most annoying thing about being stuck behind a slow, hesitant driver is having to work harder to maintain a safe gap behind them. Some people's responses to seemingly everything are to hit the middle pedal. Oncoming car? Brake. Slight curve in the road? Brake. "Ice" road sign in August? Brake. etc. etc. It's worse when following them up a hill and/or driving a diesel. You end-up rowing through the gearbox when you'd usually maintain enough speed to cruise along in a single gear.
Interesting point. It's a bit like being stuck behind a tail-gater on the motorway. It's basically "brake..brake..brake..brake..brake" causing the cars behind to do the same. It's possible to achieve a much smoother drive, without the need for constant acceleration and braking, by leaving a bigger gap. I think the same might apply in the circumstances you describe.Rather than the "time penalty", often the most annoying thing about being stuck behind a slow, hesitant driver is having to work harder to maintain a safe gap behind them. Some people's responses to seemingly everything are to hit the middle pedal. Oncoming car? Brake. Slight curve in the road? Brake. "Ice" road sign in August? Brake. etc. etc. It's worse when following them up a hill and/or driving a diesel. You end-up rowing through the gearbox when you'd usually maintain enough speed to cruise along in a single gear.
Clivey said:
Rather than the "time penalty", often the most annoying thing about being stuck behind a slow, hesitant driver is having to work harder to maintain a safe gap behind them.
The other most annoying thing (?) is that they then take longer to pull out at a junction, don't overtake anything no matter how slow, stop at every give way and stop as soon as the lights go red rather than letting two or three cars through (the last one is a joke 
). All of that cumulative time can have more effect than just the pure speed differential.Mave said:
Repeating the same thing over and over does not make it true, and is not a convincing arguement. What exactly is dangerous about doing 45 in a 60 limit?
Well apart from causing frustration to those stuck behind, which causes accidents if those Matrix signs on the motorways are to be believed, it also throws into question the dawdlers skill as a driver, and whether they should even have a license in the first place. Given that if you were to do 45 in a 60 when it is safe to travel quicker on your driving test, you'd fail it for causing an obstruction. And quite right too imo. Seriously what is happening to this forum? We've had people suggesting buying a performance car based on how big the boot is, suggestions that a hotted up Rover would be a better steer than a 3 series, and now we have people justifying the 40 everywhere brigade?
I'm not justifying doing 40 everywhere, I'm trying to put it into perspective. The person driving slowly isn't dangerous, they're frustrating. The person who allows their frustration to influence their driving is the dangerous one. It's an important distinction because there will always be sources of frustration- whether or not there are slow drivers. What did Bill Murray say in ground hog day? "don't drive angry!" :-)
Edited by Mave on Friday 10th October 13:46
bodhi said:
Well apart from causing frustration to those stuck behind, which causes accidents if those Matrix signs on the motorways are to be believed, it also throws into question the dawdlers skill as a driver, and whether they should even have a license in the first place. Given that if you were to do 45 in a 60 when it is safe to travel quicker on your driving test, you'd fail it for causing an obstruction. And quite right too imo.
Seriously what is happening to this forum? We've had people suggesting buying a performance car based on how big the boot is, suggestions that a hotted up Rover would be a better steer than a 3 series, and now we have people justifying the 40 everywhere brigade?
I think youve misunderstood the thread mate.Seriously what is happening to this forum? We've had people suggesting buying a performance car based on how big the boot is, suggestions that a hotted up Rover would be a better steer than a 3 series, and now we have people justifying the 40 everywhere brigade?
People arent justifying 40 everywhere drivers.
The point is if someone is doing less than the posted limit then you need to recognise not everyone sits on the limit and calm down, not push them along to meet your requirements.
So if someone is doing 50 in a 60, 30 in a 40 or 25 in a 30 then they are not required to floor it to suit the person behind who wants to go faster.
As I said earlier I regularly get frustrated with people doing 45 in a 60 zone near my home. However there is only one person at fault and thats me, not them, for the way I react to it.
People doing dangerously low speeds (ie: 45 on a motorway) are not included obviously.
The ludicrous case posted here about someone who was driving a medical emergency and was being held up is quite frankly ridiculous as an example. And maybe if we stopped trying to get everywhere faster than everyone else the roads would be a more enjoyable place?
Countdown said:
Interesting point. It's a bit like being stuck behind a tail-gater on the motorway. It's basically "brake..brake..brake..brake..brake" causing the cars behind to do the same. It's possible to achieve a much smoother drive, without the need for constant acceleration and braking, by leaving a bigger gap. I think the same might apply in the circumstances you describe.
Yes; you should leave a sensible gap (especially if they're likely to do something silly) but you often find yourself trying to increase that gap again as they keep slowing where you naturally maintain speed. - For example; you take a normal line around a corner, whereas they brake (again) and wander about before resuming their "cruising" speed (of 37 in a 60) on the next straight bit (as long as there isn't a leaf or twig on the road).speedking31 said:
The other most annoying thing (?) is that they then take longer to pull out at a junction, don't overtake anything no matter how slow, stop at every give way and stop as soon as the lights go red rather than letting two or three cars through (the last one is a joke ). All of that cumulative time can have more effect than just the pure speed differential.
). All of that cumulative time can have more effect than just the pure speed differential.
I often think it would be hilarious to remote control their cars and engage in some banzai overtaking. You'd obviously have bought shares in a valeting company beforehand.
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