Regularly Travelling At 60 In A 30. No Remorse

[Ali_T]

Given that the council will have dropped the limit under the pretence on road safety (probably because some drunken moron tried to cross it and got hit as happened up here a few years back), they're also far more likley to be checking speeds on that section for the near future. Your license, but I'd be very, very cautious.

[pork911]

julian64 said:

pork911 said:

Where did I say the change in this limit must be sensible?

Until OP provides more information we only have him saying it's changed and he's unable rather than unwilling to drive within it (though of course it's more likely the latter reason).


Regardless, let's not pretend anyone's speeding is some sort of principled civil disobedience.

Some is some isn't. Lets not pretend everone who breaks a speed limit is a criminal.

A general rule of thumb that has served me well is that in the absence of any common sense I tend to use my own.

People who follow signs with blind acceptance tend not to have much.

So now OP's 60 in a 30 is common sense?

[g3org3y]

OP, Google streetview image please!

[julian64]

pork911 said:

julian64 said:

pork911 said:

Where did I say the change in this limit must be sensible?

Until OP provides more information we only have him saying it's changed and he's unable rather than unwilling to drive within it (though of course it's more likely the latter reason).


Regardless, let's not pretend anyone's speeding is some sort of principled civil disobedience.

Some is some isn't. Lets not pretend everone who breaks a speed limit is a criminal.

A general rule of thumb that has served me well is that in the absence of any common sense I tend to use my own.

People who follow signs with blind acceptance tend not to have much.

So now OP's 60 in a 30 is common sense?

How do I know, I don't even know the road. It seems to be you thats already made the decision, not me.

[Tribal Chestnut]

pork911 said:

So now OP's 60 in a 30 is common sense?

It might be. Go back to your earlier post about knowing all the facts.

[anonymous-user]

Tribal Chestnut said:

It might be. Go back to your earlier post about knowing all the facts.

It's highly unlikely that this is a DC, if the limit has been dropped it is due to accident rates, complaints or an area requiring special consideration. The facts are the limit has been reduced and the OP seems unable to comply.

https://www.gov.uk/request-speed-limit-change

[Pan Pan]

If the authorities continue to set inappropriately low limits for a section of road, people may start to ignore speed limits completely.
As posted earlier the authorities must only set low (than the already low set) limits where there is a sound reason for doing so. Generally in cases such as this, there is often NOT a `sound' reason for doing so.

[Tribal Chestnut]

yonex said:

It's highly unlikely that this is a DC, if the limit has been dropped it is due to accident rates, complaints or an area requiring special consideration. The facts are the limit has been reduced and the OP seems unable to comply.

https://www.gov.uk/request-speed-limit-change

The application of common sense might still allow a maximum speed substantially above the revised legal limit.

[anonymous-user]

Tribal Chestnut said:

The application of common sense might still allow a maximum speed substantially above the revised legal limit.

In the eyes of the law, no.

[Lil'RedGTO]

pork911 said:

Regardless, let's not pretend anyone's speeding is some sort of principled civil disobedience.

Actually, I make a principled point of speeding on motorways even when I'm not in a hurry (provided conditions allow), as I think it's important to create a culture of desrespect for the current woefully low 70mph limit, in the hope that it will be increased to at least 80mph.

I can't remember where I saw the figures, but recently the percentage of drivers exceeding the motorway limit dropped to just below 50%. If the limit is to be increased to 80mph, as I would like, it will help the case for doing so if a majority of drivers do not respect the current limit. I therefore try to do my bit wherever I can.

[Lil'RedGTO]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Thanks, I will.

[Lil'RedGTO]

Found the stats:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

The percentage of drivers exceeding the 70mph limit dropped from about 57% in 2003 to 47% in 2013.

Must try harder.

Edited by Lil'RedGTO on Wednesday 24th September 13:41

[Chimune]

OP, perhaps you should go to the docs.
Seriously. All this talk of muscle memory, involuntary movements and the detached driving experience you seem to be having.... might be something more serious going on.

[Pan Pan]

yonex said:

Tribal Chestnut said:

The application of common sense might still allow a maximum speed substantially above the revised legal limit.

In the eyes of the law, no.

As has been pointed out many times before. the law can often be an ass.

[Funkycoldribena]

Town near me is pretty much 20 everywhere,no-one takes a blind bit of notice.
Just curious,but at what speed would you compliants say enough is enough? 10?5? because its ever creeping that way.

[Pan Pan]

This often comes back to the mindless morons who think because they are slow drivers, they are also safe drivers when experience shows they are often the most myopic, incompetent, unpredictable, and least aware of other road users around them, of all road user types

[anonymous-user]

Pan Pan said:

This often comes back to the mindless morons who think because they are slow drivers, they are also safe drivers when experience shows they are often the most myopic, incompetent, unpredictable, and least aware of other road users around them, of all road user types

As incompetent as someone who has to ask the internet if he doubles the speed limit what the potential threat to his licence etc may be?

[Pan Pan]

yonex said:

Pan Pan said:

This often comes back to the mindless morons who think because they are slow drivers, they are also safe drivers when experience shows they are often the most myopic, incompetent, unpredictable, and least aware of other road users around them, of all road user types

As incompetent as someone who has to ask the internet if he doubles the speed limit what the potential threat to his licence etc may be?

if you read my posts you will know that I advocate travelling at the best speed posted limits, or road conditions permit, I don't see the point of having a motor vehicle and doing anything less. To use a motor vehicle and dawdle everywhere is just perverse. I do not however agree with travelling at twice the posted limit, even if I do not agree with the posted limit itself, or if some might deem it safe to do so, because of course NO speed is safe.

[Bill]

Ali_T said:

Given that the council will have dropped the limit under the pretence on road safety

It could equally be to reduce noise levels for residents.

[anonymous-user]

Pan Pan said:

if you read my posts you will know that I advocate travelling at the best speed posted limits, or road conditions permit, I don't see the point of having a motor vehicle and doing anything less. To use a motor vehicle and dawdle everywhere is just perverse. I do not however agree with travelling at twice the posted limit, even if I do not agree with the posted limit itself, or if some might deem it safe to do so, because of course NO speed is safe.

Agreed. And the very worst offenders are the ones who travel at 45mph on the button in the NSL and then proceed to carry this speed through the 30/40 limits!